On Thursday 22 October 2015 10:09:11 Alan Mackenzie wrote: >Hello, Marc. > >On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 09:21:07PM +0200, Marc Joliet wrote: >> On Wednesday 21 October 2015 15:51:43 Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >The two keyboard layouts I use in XFCE are both fine and dandy, but they >> >are incomplete. In particular, I want the key combination >> ><Ctrl><Alt><shift><F1> to take me to tty13 in the same way that >> ><Ctrl><Alt><F1> takes me to tty1. >> > >> >I've been searching for _hours_ trying to find out how to do this. I >> >cannot find the keyboard layouts anywhere under /usr/share, where one >> >might expect them. I can't find any relevant programs to manipulate >> >these data files with, even if I could find them. >> > >> >Would somebody help me please. Where are the X keyboard layouts stored, >> >and what program to I need to enhance them? >> > >> >TIA! >> >> I was curious, so I looked a bit myself, and found this: >> >> % ag ctrl-alt-f /usr/share/doc >> /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15.5-r1/html/kbd.FAQ-7.html >> 21:<P>By default, console switching is done using Alt-Fn or Ctrl-Alt-Fn. >> 22:Under <CODE>X</CODE> (or recent versions of <CODE>dosemu</CODE>), only >> Ctrl-Alt-Fn works. >> >> /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15.5-r1/html/kbd.FAQ-8.html >> 54:Console_n Alt-Fn and Ctrl-Alt-Fn (1 <= n <= 12) >> 82:Ctrl-Alt-Fn Switch to VT n >> 115:Ctrl-Alt-Fn Switch to VT n (from version 0.50; earlier Alt-Fn) >> >> /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15.5-r1/html/kbd.FAQ-13.html >> 28:While it is running one can use Ctrl-Alt-Fn to switch to VTn. >> >> /usr/share/doc/kbd-1.15.5-r1/html/kbd.FAQ-9.html >> 41:However, Ctrl-Alt-Fn will work and you can go to another VT. >> >> /usr/share/doc/libsdl-1.2.15-r9/html/docs.html >> 631: The framebuffer console now uses CTRL-ALT-FN to switch virtual >> terminals, to avoid collisions with application key bindings. >> >> (Online here: http://kbd-project.org/www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/kbd/) > >Yes, I've got that file. It only really deals with the console >keyboard, though.
Too bad, I was hoping that there might be a way of modifying the relevant X key bindings. >> (For those who haven't heard of it: ag is from >> sys-apps/the_silver_searcher.) >> >> From a cursory look, I couldn't find anything specific, other than that >> apparently AltGr+Fn is supposed to give you console n+12 (though apparently >> not from within X), but it didn't work for me, and I'm not in the mood to >> find out why. Also, that FAQ looks... dated. However, maybe it will help >> lead you to a solution? > >I think I'm going to have to exercise my meagre search engine skills. > >> Also, while I'm sure you've got a good reason for doing this, I'm really >> curious: why not use screen or tmux instead? Especially if you're dealing >> with more than twelve terminals. > >I've never really considered screen (or tmux). Screen looks like a way >of "windowising" a tty, amongst other things, which isn't what I want. >In fact, reading the Wikipedia article, I'm not even clear whether >screen runs on a virtual terminal or within X. (Note: personally, I recommend tmux over screen, unless you fall into one of the niches that only screen supports.) As Alan said, they are normal programs that run in a shell. You can access their sessions from X, a linux console, and/or SSH simultaneously (tmux shrinks the view to the lowest common denominator automatically, e.g., to the size of a laptop screen). You can split windows (much like Vim; tmux has Vi key bindings, BTW), interactively select windows, scroll back and search through a buffer, etc. pp.. I find it much superior to dealing with "physical" terminals (at least exclusively). (Oh, and you can detach from a session and let it run in the background without staying logged in, i.e., tmux and screen can daemonize.) >No, what I really want is a way to go from X (XFCE for me) directly to >any virtual terminal. At the moment, if I want to go to, say, tty14, >I've first got to go to a lower numbered tty, and then to tty14. It's >one of these little annoyances which is scarcely worth bothering about, >but it _is_ an annoyance. If that's what you really want, then that's fine, I just wanted to present an alternative. >I'll continue searching. Best of luck! >Thanks for the post! > >> HTH HTH -- Marc Joliet -- "People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
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