On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 4:55 PM Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 5:57 PM Mark Knecht <markkne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > which I don't think is available yet but will run in the $250
> > range without the drives. It appears that the motherboard
> > they designed takes the PCIe to a card with a PCIe-to-SATA
> > controller which is how you get better performance.
>
> With the USB3 solution your $40 SBC can directly access a hard drive.
> Now we're talking about adding $250 of hardware to get to SATA.
>
> Honestly, if you're going to start spending that much I'd really
> question why we're not just using a PC.
>
> I would love to see more reasonably-priced ARM options with decent IO
> and RAM.  If you want ARM and 32GB of RAM good luck finding something
> for under $1k.  For anything that runs 24x7 the power savings are
> quite significant with ARM, but you definitely give up performance and
> IO and of course general flexibility,  If you're going to start
> spending hundreds of dollars on ARM unless it is as some kind of
> prototyping setup I'd really question why you wouldn't just use
> inexpensive PC hardware.  Get something with integrated graphics and
> you have lots of PCIe lanes available for IO.  You can get used HBAs
> fairly inexpensively as well, though I do question the reliability of
> some of that stuff (used).
>
> One other thing, I've used LSI HBAs with Rockpro64 SBCs (which have
> PCIe), and the HBAs use a ton of power.  The RK3399 might use very
> little power (esp idle), but that LSI HBA is practically a space
> heater even when idle.  Maybe their newer stuff is more efficient, but
> you're not going to get those for $30 on eBay.
>
> --
> Rich
>

No disagreements at all. I was only providing 1) something for the OP
to look at, and 2) info on your point/question/observation about RP4
having or not having PCIe.

As for YouTube 'influencers' I take them with a grain of salt. This guy
was given preproduction product which almost certainly was free and given
so as to produce positive press.

Mark

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