On Saturday, 6 August 2022 12:08:30 BST Dale wrote:
> Dale wrote:
> > Michael wrote:
> >> On Saturday, 6 August 2022 07:07:26 BST Dale wrote:
> >>> Well, that settles that then.  I guess it will be Surfshark.  Pretty
> >>> sure it is in the Netherlands but may be wrong on country.  I just
> >>> recall it being outside US jurisdiction.  I also read they have been
> >>> audited by independent people to ensure they have no logs even if asked.
> >> 
> >> Surfshark gets good reviews and it offers the wireguard protocol with the
> >> ChaCha20 cipher for better encryption and performance.  However, the
> >> Netherlands is part of the EU and 14 eyes, so I would think similar state
> >> powers exist to access your private communications and the ISPs would
> >> have no way of refusing and staying in business.  Surfshark offers a
> >> warrant canary, but it looks more like a marketing statement to me when
> >> you compare it to something like the Qubes digitally signed canaries.
> > 
> > I forgot about the 14 eyes thing.  Do you know of one outside that that
> > is good?  The bad thing about most, they are pricey if done by the month
> > for testing.  You only get a good deal if you subscribe for a year or
> > even two years.  I don't want to subscribe and then find out it is a bad
> > one. 
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-) 
> 
> I did a quick google search and Surfshark is based in British Virgin
> Islands and is outside the eyes countries.  I was thinking it was
> Netherlands but wasn't sure.

You were thinking correctly at the start.  Surfshark is located in the 
Netherlands since 2018 and has been bought out by Nord Security, who owns 
NordVPN.


> When I searched for VPN outside 14 eyes
> country, Surfshark is highly rated.  Depending on the site, it's in the
> top few each time. 
> 
> https://earthweb.com/vpn-outside-14-eyes/
> 
> https://www.privateproxyguide.com/best-vpn-outside-14-eyes/
> 
> Unless there is some good reason to avoid, still thinking of using it. 

The more you try to escape the 14 eyes Big Brother, the closer you may fall 
into the hands of various authoritarian regimes.  LOL!  Even VPNs like NordVPN 
which operates within the jurisdiction of Panama (let's not forget it is 
Langley's doorstep), it also has offices in the UK, Netherlands and Lithuania.  
I wonder why . . .

Total privacy on the Internet is improbable.  If your only concern is to 
retain your privacy from your ISP with regards to your Internet connections, 
then most/any VPN service will offer this benefit by obfuscating your IP 
address.  Your browsing patterns, browser User Agent, addons and umpteen other 
OS and application fingerprints won't be obfuscated beyond the VPN server.  
Therefore your identity can only be protected so much and no more.

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