On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 22:27 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 19:54, Grant wrote:

> > I'm thinking this over a bit more, and it seems like the best thing
> > for Gentoo (or any distro) is a lot of users.  More users must mean
> > more active developers, and more active developers must mean an
> > increased rate of growth for the software.
> 
> this kind of users never turn into devs. This kind of users are writing 'good 
> bye postings' in the forum about how much gentoo sucks and that 
> INSERTNAMEHERE is much better.

/me searches the 'net for the INSERTNAMEHERE distro.  Tell me more - I
like the sound of this one, I hear it's really cool, and I'm thinking of
leaving Gentoo... NOT...

> > I believe the great benefit of Gentoo is its flexibility, and
> > flexibility is like a meta-benefit because it makes possible any other
> > benefit.  What do you think makes Ubuntu the distro of the moment?  Is
> > it ease-of-use?  If Gentoo focused more on ease-of-use aspects of the
> > Ubuntu variety, they would attract more users and thereby increase the
> > rate of growth for the software.
> 
> all the hype about it (in ubuntus case, the hype even started before it was 
> released, thanks to good marketing).
> 
> There is something called 'target audience'. Do you want to target the noobs? 

no!  I heard once (can't remember who / when) someone say (and I
paraphrase from memory) "don't call yourself a noob when you ask a
question on a ml.  noob is a term used to describe 'idiots' who don't
read, and don't try.  I can't understand when people say 'complete idiot
here, just wanting to ask a question'".

> The 'I don't want to read anything' crowd? At the beginning, there was a 
> big 'gentoo is for advanced users type' sign on the front page. If you dumb 
> gentoo down to make it idiot-proof only idiots will use it. 

If you make it more idiot proof, someone will make a better idiot.
You'd be chasing a moving target.

> It is a good 
> sign, that people from other distros are asking questions in the gentoo 
> forums, because they expect good answers there. It is also a known fact, that 
> ubuntus forums are very big - but good answers are rare. When ubuntu f*ed up 
> a X update sometime ago, ou had thousands of helpless users. Do you really 
> want that kind of people in gentoo?

On a side note, this ml would have to be proof that Gentoo is
maintaining a decent quality.  How many times have I heard "this is the
best mailing list with the most knowledgeable users"?


> nope. It is just the wave of people who want to use the 
> cool-distro-of-the-day.

hey that was me once upon a time.  That's how I found Gentoo, but then I
wasn't a noob at that stage, so I recognised what I found and stuck to
it...

-- 
Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than forgiveness for being 
right.

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