On 10 Feb 2010, at 11:14, J. Roeleveld wrote:

On Wednesday 10 February 2010 02:28:59 Stroller wrote:
On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:37, J. Roeleveld wrote:
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Don't get me started on those ;)
The reason I use Linux Software Raid is because:
1) I can't afford hardware raid adapters
2) It's generally faster then hardware fakeraid

I'd rather have slow hardware RAID than fast software RAID. I'm not
being a snob, it just suits my purposes better.

I don't consider that comment as "snobbish" as I actually agree.
But as I am using 6 disks in the array, a hardware RAID card to handle that
would have pushed me above budget.

See, for example, eBay item 280459693053.

LSI is also a popular brand amongst Linux enthusiasts.

3ware have been taken over by LSI and their support has deteriorated over the last few months, but 3ware cards come with transferrable 3 year warranty, expiry date identifiable by serial number, and you will often find eBay cards are still in warranty.

It is planned for a future upgrade (along with additional disks), but that
will have to wait till after another few expenses.

If speed isn't an issue then secondhand prices of SATA RAID
controllers (PCI & PCI-X form-factor) are starting to become really
cheap. Obviously new cards are all PCI-e - industry has long moved to
that, and enthusiasts are following.

My mainboard has PCI, PCI-X and PCI-e (1x and 16x), which connector- type would
be best suited?

PCI-e, PCI-X, PCI in that order, I *think*.

PCI-X is very good, IIRC, it may be fractionally faster than PCI-e, but I get the impression it's going out of fashion a bit on motherboards.

PCI-e is very fast and is the most readily usable on new & future motherboards. It is what one would choose if buying new (I'm not sure if PCI-X cards are still available), and so it is the most expensive on the secondhand market.

Some 3ware PCI-X cards (eg the 9500S at least) are usable in regular PCI slots, obviously at the expense of speed. Not sure about other brands.

Avoid 3ware 7000 & 8000 series cards - they are now ancient, although you can pick them up for £10.

Also, I believe a PCI-e 8x card would work in a PCI-e 16x slot, but does this
work with all mainboards/cards? Or are some more picky about this?

No idea, sorry. I would have thought so, but I don't use PCI-e here yet.

I would be far less invested in hardware RAID if I could find regular
SATA controllers which boasted hot-swap. I've read reports of people
hot-swapping SATA drives "just fine" on their cheap controllers but
last time I checked there were no manufacturers who supported this as
a feature.

The mainboard I use (ASUS M3N-WS) has a working hotswap support (Yes, I tested
this) using hotswap drive bays.
Take a disk out, Linux actually sees it being removed prior to writing to it
and when I stick it back in, it gets a new device assigned.

This is very interesting to know.

This would be very useful here, even if just for auxiliary use - swapping in a drive from another machine just to clone it, backup or recover data, for instance.

If I found an Atom-based board that did hotswap on its normal SATA ports I would probably purchase one in a flash.

On a different machine, where I tried it, the whole machine locked up when I removed the disk (And SATA is supposed to be hotswappable by design...)

This is what I would normally expect, at least from when I last checked a year or two ago.

AIUI SATA by design *may* be hotswappable at the *option* of the manufacturer.
(Please correct me if I am mistaken)

Stroller.


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