Dear Peter, When I give a donation to a medical charity I am very happy for the charity to spend my money as it best thinks fit, even including payments to publishers. What I do not expect is that the charity would influence Government policy on what happens to the taxes I pay in an area of public policy that is broader than medical research. Also many donations to medical charities come through bequests or from people who are not UK taxpayers, and the taxpayer base is very different in composition to the charitable donors base. In my view the Wellcome went a step too far in encouraging the application to public policy of its own policy of making additional payments to publishers for open access. It is not surprising that the publishing interests dominating the Finch Group seized upon this support from the Wellcome.
With best wishes, Fred Friend Honorary Director Scholarly Communication UCL ________________________________ From: Peter Morgan <p...@cam.ac.uk> Sent: 11 September 2013 09:54 To: Friend, Fred; Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: RE: [GOAL] Re: [sparc-oaforum] Some Reflection from Wellcome Would Be Welcome Fred, "the mistake came when they supported the application of their own policies to taxpayer-funded research." To the extent that Wellcome and other charities enjoy tax-breaks, it can be argued that theirs is also "taxpayer-funded research". See, for example… Lisbet Rausing ("Toward a New Alexandria: Imagining the Future of Libraries", The New Republic, 2010) http://www.newrepublic.com/article/books-and-arts/toward-new-alexandria "Few academic databases and research tools are in the public domain, even though the public has paid for them—through research grants, tax breaks, and donations." and Peter Suber ("Open Access", MIT Press, 2012, ch.1) http://mitpress.mit.edu/sites/default/files/titles/content/9780262517638_Open_Access_PDF_Version.pdf "Public and private funding agencies are essentially public and private charities, funding research they regard as useful or beneficial. Universities have a public purpose as well, even when they are private institutions. We sup- port the public institutions with public funds, and we support the private ones with tax exemptions for their property and tax deductions for their donors." Regards, Peter -- Peter Morgan Head of Medical and Science Libraries Medical Library Cambridge University Library Addenbrooke's Hospital Hills Road Cambridge CB2 0SP UK email: p...@cam.ac.uk<mailto:p...@cam.ac.uk> tel: +44 (0)1223 336757 fax: +44 (0)1223 331918 From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Friend, Fred Sent: 10 September 2013 17:16 To: Stevan Harnad; Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: [sparc-oaforum] Some Reflection from Wellcome Would Be Welcome Stevan explains the influence of the Wellcome upon OA policy very well. The Wellcome did an excellent job in making publications from its own researchers OA, but the mistake came when they supported the application of their own policies to taxpayer-funded research. They were over-influenced by publishers, who of course stood to benefit considerably from the extension of Wellcome's largesse by the taxpayer. Fred Friend ________________________________ From: Stevan Harnad <amscifo...@gmail.com<mailto:amscifo...@gmail.com>> Sent: 10 September 2013 16:29:35 To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [sparc-oaforum] Some Reflection from Wellcome Would Be Welcome It's time for the Wellcome Trust to think more deeply about its endlessly repeated mantra that the "cost of publication is part of the cost of funding research." The statement is true enough, but profoundly incomplete: As a private foundation, Wellcome only funds researchers' research. It does not have to fund their institutional journal subscriptions, which are currently paying the costs of publication for all non-OA research. And without access to those subscription journals, researchers would lose access to everything that is not yet Open Access (OA) -- which means access to most of currently published research. Moreover, if those subscriptions stopped being paid, no one would be paying the costs of publication. In the UK, it is the tax-payer who pays the costs of publication (which is "part of the cost of funding research"), by paying the cost of journal access via institutional subscriptions. It is fine to wish that to be otherwise, but it cannot just be wished away, and Wellcome has never had to worry about paying for it. The Wellcome slogan and solution -- the "cost of publication is part of the cost of funding research," so pay pre-emptively for Gold OA -- works for Wellcome, and as a wish list. But it is not a formula for getting us all from here (c. 30% OA, mostly Green) to there (100% OA). It does not scale up from Wellcome to the UK, let alone to the rest of the world. What scales up is mandating Green OA. Once Green OA reaches 100%, journals can be cancelled, forcing them to downsize and convert to Fair Gold, single-paid at an affordable, sustianable price, instead of double-paid pre-emptively at today's arbitrarily inflated Fools-Gold price. Hence it is exceedingly bad advice on Wellcome's part, to urge the UK, that because the "cost of publication is part of the cost of funding research," the UK should double-pay (subscriptions + Gold OA) for what Wellcome itself only needs to single-pay. (And this is without even getting into the sticky question of overpricing and double-dipping.) Wellcome took a bold and pioneering step in 2004<http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/4115.html> in mandating OA. But in since cleaving unreflectively to pre-emptive payment for Gold OA as the preferred means of providing OA -- because Wellcome does not have to pay for subscriptions -- the net effect of the Wellcome pioneering intiative is now beginning to turn negative rather than positive. I hope the BIS Report<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1040-UK-BIS-Committee-2013-Report-on-Open-Access.html> will encourage Wellcome to re-think the rigid route that it has been promoting for a decade, culminating in the Finch Fiasco. Stevan Harnad -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "SPARC OA Forum" group. To post to this group, send email to sparc-oafo...@arl.org<mailto:sparc-oafo...@arl.org> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sparc-oaforum+unsubscr...@arl.org<mailto:sparc-oaforum+unsubscr...@arl.org> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/a/arl.org/group/sparc-oaforum To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sparc-oaforum+unsubscr...@arl.org<mailto:sparc-oaforum+unsubscr...@arl.org>.
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