Renju can you tell me how can I order this boook to read
On Sep 27, 7:58 am, "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> damodar,
> yea i agree with the first part of ur argument
> in fact i was wondering why baburaj opted for such a title. but the piece of
> jassy convinced me ....
>
> abt the second part, i partially agree with u, though evne i m not really
> convinced of wht i ve writtn
> as u know these are immediate mail responses... a kind of love at first
> sight or infatuation
>
> i agree with ur point that it reifeis belief from expereiential. but in my
> opinion that happens in a universal context and when the tone embraces a
> universal ultimate truth of a meta narrative such as religion, marxism etc.
> at the micro level it MAY elicit a different reading. the possibility of
> course is contextual. and may vary ...
> need more thinking perhaps esplly for a little mind like me
> well, that s how it is
>
> thanks for the insightful comments
>
> love and regards
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:45 AM, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> > Renju,
> > a*s baburaj's book proclaims "Another World is Possible"*
> > *sometimes we should belive in belief.*
>
> > Indeed.
>
> > But it would be politically worth emphasizing the name of the book "*Mattoru
> > Jeevitham Sadhyamanu"* and as translation - *"Another Life is Possible"*on
> > the cover itself indicates.
>
> > Because the two evokes two distinct world views.
>
> > The slogan Another world is possible of the WSF becomes thing of a past,
> > cliched and mimicry of the foregone deeds of the left and you very well-know
> > the spectrum of organization participating in this socialist carnival.
>
> > Whereas Baburaj's critical insights upturns such world views. The same
> > article in the name of the book highlights how and why Jassey Gift's music
> > evoked such a moral panic and why his music makes possible a another hearing
> > culture. Hence the need to emphasis on the real title of the work.
>
> > As I say this and as in case of any other work or text, I read the articles
> > in it critically and I have objections too....
>
> > ....as I object to your idea that "we should believe in belief". Because it
> > reifies belief from the experiential ( and also indicative of a
> > conspiratorial tone) which is a detriment to making another life possible,
> > sincerely
> > Damodar Prasad
>
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> >> damodar,
>
> >> the hapless victims are a construct. though their voices are seldom heard.
> >> rhetoric of secular castelessness of judiciary/bureaucaracy etc refuses to
> >> hear other voices. but they as u said refuse to remain victims always.
>
> >> Regards
>
> >> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM, damodar prasad <
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> Renju,
>
> >>> The last sentence of your mail is very evocative. The hapless targets of
> >>> such discursive violence of biases personal as well as political are sure
> >>> to
> >>> go mute. One refuses to be a victim but returns only to know that same
> >>> assault continues unhindered.
>
> >>> Silencing through newer and newer strategies is everyday being
> >>> experimented and one is left with the option of non-communication.
> >>> Sometimes
> >>> that is what is desired.
>
> >>> I share your perspective.
>
> >>> Regards,
>
> >>> damodar prasad
>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 9:00 AM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> >>>> Dear Bobby,
>
> >>>> I agree. I was only pointing out that well-written aspect, but not well
> >>>> accepted by our conscience.
> >>>> as far as capital punishment is concerened i have the same opinion
> >>>> my friends in the legal system inform me that majority of the convctd
> >>>> people are innocent
> >>>> i dont understand how we can go with such a system
> >>>> my sister is in SC now. She tells me that how cleverly a judge can
> >>>> manipulate judgements
> >>>> caste, religion, gender, class ... these are the categories not only for
> >>>> academic discourses
> >>>> we encounter it in each and every step in life
> >>>> secular classless, casteless rhetoric helps those who sits and give
> >>>> judgments whehter it be in courts, police stations, media houses, online
> >>>> forums etc.
> >>>> \regards
>
> >>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
> >>>>> Dear Ranju
> >>>>> The castedness of the Indian judiciary and legal system is actually
> >>>>> fairly well written about, so the lack of implementation of the SC/ST
> >>>>> Act is
> >>>>> hardly surprising. Well, in its 58 year history since independence, our
> >>>>> SC
> >>>>> has just 3 dalit judges and one dalit CJ. If thats testimony enough. The
> >>>>> same is the question of gender. Since Fatima beevi became the first
> >>>>> woman
> >>>>> judge of the SC, there is an unwritten practice, where another woman
> >>>>> would
> >>>>> be appointed only after the term of the incumbernt woman is over.
> >>>>> Well, in that context, the worry is about capital punishment. This
> >>>>> worry is also pertinent in terms of the fact that most people
> >>>>> vulnerable to
> >>>>> the policing system are Dalits and Muslims.
> >>>>> My point was that while conviction in the Khairlanji massacre needs to
> >>>>> be welcomed, the sentencing needs to be condemned
> >>>>> Warmly
>
> >>>>> 2008/9/25 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >>>>> it d be noted here that the court has refused to consider this as a
> >>>>>> case of caste atrocity.
> >>>>>> that is the politics of indian judicial system
>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Having been part of a research on the implementation of the SC/ST
> >>>>>>> atrocities act, while there is a sense of relief that, in this country
> >>>>>>> finally there is a move towards legally punishing perpetrators of
> >>>>>>> caste-based violence, I am worried about the extremes. While agreeing
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>> the prosecution case about the gravity of the offence, I believe that
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> also is a moment to express a collective voice against capital
> >>>>>>> punishment.
> >>>>>>> This becomes an even more pertinent issue given the kind of
> >>>>>>> prejudices that the Indian legal system operates within, victims of
> >>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>> most often would be people from marginalised backgrounds. To quote
> >>>>>>> from an
> >>>>>>> Amnesty study;
>
> >>>>>>> *"As the study relied on reported judgments, it was bound by certain
> >>>>>>> limitations. For example, the socio-economic background of defendants
> >>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>> not normally emerge from the rulings, as it is judicial practice in
> >>>>>>> India to
> >>>>>>> avoid references to caste, community, religion and other
> >>>>>>> socio-economic
> >>>>>>> factors relevant to the victim or the accused, unless seen to be of
> >>>>>>> direct
> >>>>>>> relevance to the adjudication of the case. It is therefore almost
> >>>>>>> impossible
> >>>>>>> to analyse the impact of the application of the death penalty on
> >>>>>>> members of
> >>>>>>> particular religious or caste groups through a study of the
> >>>>>>> judgments. There
> >>>>>>> is an urgent need for more detailed studies, including detailed
> >>>>>>> analyses of
> >>>>>>> individual cases. Other countries have been shown to be using the
> >>>>>>> death
> >>>>>>> penalty in a highly prejudicial manner against individuals based on
> >>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>> ethnic origins or similar factors. For example, in the United States
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> America the death penalty has been shown to be disproportionately used
> >>>>>>> against African Americans."
> >>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>> The full study can be accessed at
> >>>>>>>http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGUSA20080502002
>
> >>>>>>> Warmly
>
> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>>>> From: Ajay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>> Date: 2008/9/25
> >>>>>>> Subject: Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term
> >>>>>>> To:
>
> >>>>>>> *Death for six in Khairlanji case; two get life term *
> >>>>>>> Special Correspondent *"Capital punishment given for first time to
> >>>>>>> killers of Dalits" *
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>>>> *
>
> >>>>>>> Verdict comes five days before the second anniversary of the killings
>
> >>>>>>> Subject to confirmation by HC: defence lawyer
> >>>>>>> *
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------
>
> >>>>>>> MUMBAI: In a historic verdict on Wednesday, the ad hoc sessions court
> >>>>>>> in Bhandara handed down the death sentence to six persons in the
> >>>>>>> Khairlanji
> >>>>>>> massacre case. Two others held guilty were given life imprisonment.
>
> >>>>>>> On September 15, sessions judge S.S. Das convicted eight of the 11
> >>>>>>> accused of murder, rioting with deadly weapons, unlawful assembly and
> >>>>>>> suppression of evidence, while acquitting the other three of all
> >>>>>>> charges.
>
> >>>>>>> The court found no evidence under the Scheduled Castes and Scheduled
> >>>>>>> Tribes (Prevention of Atrocities) Act and Section 354 of the Indian
> >>>>>>> Penal
> >>>>>>> Code, which refers to assault or criminal force with intent to
> >>>>>>> outrage the
> >>>>>>> modesty of a woman.
>
> >>>>>>> While Gopal Binjewar and Shishupal Dhande were given life
> >>>>>>> imprisonment, Sakru Binjewar, Shatrughna Dhande, Vishwanath Dhande,
> >>>>>>> Ramu
> >>>>>>> Dhande, Jagdish Mandlekar and Prabhakar Mandlekar were sentenced to
> >>>>>>> death.
>
> >>>>>>> Welcoming the verdict, Ramdas Athavale, Republican Party of India
> >>>>>>> (Athavale), said it was the first time in the country that six
> >>>>>>> persons were
> >>>>>>> given the death sentence in a case of murder of people belonging to
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Scheduled Castes.
> >>>>>>> Speedy trial
>
> >>>>>>> Activist and journalist Milind Fulzale from Yavatmal told *The Hindu
> >>>>>>> *that in the cases of the Gavai brothers, who had their eyes gouged
> >>>>>>> out in the 1970s; in the case of the Thombre brothers, who were
> >>>>>>> killed at
> >>>>>>> Kalamb in Yavatmal in 1997 during Holi; or in the case of Pochiram
> >>>>>>> Kamble,
> >>>>>>> an activist burnt alive during the struggle to rename the Marathwada
> >>>>>>> University, nothing happened. Though cases were filed,
>
> ...
>
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