Dear Gouri Thats precisely why Praveen Swami is dangerous, because he comes across polished and rounded. The fellow needs to be exposed. Dear Venu He is one of my personal blacklists as well. I usually ignore the kinds of him wherever they may appear, but this was in a context that one was forced to read this miscreant!!! Warmly
2008/10/9 venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Parveen Swamy has been around for quite some time with such theories > on the intellectual communities' irresponsible sympathy with terror > suspects and too much of demands for legal methods of combating > terrorism on the part of State. I have learned to save time by not > reading such stuff, whether it appears in the Hindu , EPW or wherever. > Hope the same will be good for others too,if you please. > > On 9 Oct, 14:02, "damodar prasad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Reading praveen swamy, I think he is/has been specially corresponding for > > IB. A classic case of embeddedness!! > > > > How and why should a journalist treat IB as a definite source without any > > cross-checking or double checking!! > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:05 PM, ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > praveen swamy has been constantly engaged in demonising muslims via his > > > propaganda stories. > > > he seems to be the man in The Hindu to plant stories against muslim > Other. > > > so pathetic !! > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Gouri Patwardhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > >> what do you say about the article Bobby? Its such a smooth > > >> story.perfectly detailed,rounded. Only in the end it makes a plea that > > >> the Indian state does something to change minds of these mis guided > > >> youth and bring them on the path of democracy.... > > >> :) > > > > >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Bobby Kunhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> wrote: > > >> > thehoot.org carried a piece today on Praveen Swami's article, I > thought > > >> it > > >> > might be useful to post it in this thread > > > > >>http://thehoot.org/web/home/story.php?storyid=3364&pg=1&mod=1§ion. > .. > > > > >> > Was he there? > > > > >> > Posted Wednesday, Oct 08 23:52:28, 2008 > > > > >> > The Hindu (Oct 4) carries an edit page article by Praveen Swami, > titled > > >> > 'Mapping the Indian Mujahideen'. It presents every minute detail on > > >> Indian > > >> > Mujahideen, its 'top operative' Atif Amin and how the whole thing > works. > > >> > (The first sentence reads, "Eight days before he was shot dead, top > > >> Indian > > >> > Mujahideen (IM) operative Atif Amin helped to draft the manifesto > that > > >> the > > >> > terror group was to issue…") According to whom? There is no > attribution > > >> of > > >> > any kind. > > > > >> > 2008/10/8 ranju radha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> >> dear all, > > > > >> >> i think there is a need to go beyond this. this may not be the > first > > >> and > > >> >> last case. there s a need to form a group or cell to assist, guide > and > > >> >> provide professional legal aid to all such people who are being > > >> harassed in > > >> >> the name of caste, gender or religion. and what not. > > >> >> professional legal help seems to be the need of the hour. As we > dont > > >> know > > >> >> how to deal with such a situation legally. A Citizen Legal Cell > shall > > >> be > > >> >> thought abt for the future. > > > > >> >> any one with legal backgroud can help us in this contxt. > > >> >> Bobby can perhaps guide us in seeking such a possiblity. > > > > >> >> in solidarity > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:22 PM, venukm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > >> >>> Thanks Jenny, for sharing this piece. > > >> >>> Even while we make many of our planned schedules upset and > erratic, > > >> >>> perhaps many of us cannot do without this kind of sharing.. > > >> >>> Love, > > >> >>> Venu. > > > > >> >>> On 7 Oct, 17:27, "jenny rowena" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> >>> > Tehelka, Oct 11, 2008 > > > > >> >>> > *ALIENATED GENERATION* > > > > >> >>> > Nobody dare question our commitment to education and the Indian > > >> >>> > Constitution > > > > >> >>> > *by Mushirul Hasan* > > > > >> >>> > THE EXTENT to which our society is getting polarised along > religious > > >> >>> > lines is very disturbing. If this is the state of affairs almost > > >> seven > > >> >>> > decades after independence, what might happen a few decades > later? > > >> >>> > This is not the time to attribute responsibility to different > > >> parties > > >> >>> > or communities. This is a moment of self-reflection; of trying > to > > >> find > > >> >>> > out what gives rise to this mindless violence. > > > > >> >>> > The other very disquieting fact is how the electronic media and > > >> >>> > sections of the Hindi print media have taken upon themselves the > > >> >>> > responsibility of being the custodian of the nation's interest. > The > > >> >>> > arrogance and intolerance in their coverage reflects a very > ominous > > >> >>> > trend in the history of journalism. I have experienced this > > >> recently. > > >> >>> > The Jamia incident is not a big affair, it could have been > easily > > >> >>> > sorted out, but it was turned into a campaign against a > university. > > >> >>> > Our doors are open to non-Muslims; our teachers are drawn from > all > > >> >>> > communities. Compare our record with that of other so-called > secular > > >> >>> > universities where Muslims have limited access — Benaras Hindu > > >> >>> > University, Allahabad University, Delhi University itself — then > > >> what > > >> >>> > are we questioning? > > > > >> >>> > A student at the London School of Economic (LSE) was nabbed very > > >> >>> > recently by the police — does it mean that the LSE has become a > > >> hotbed > > >> >>> > of terrorism? This is senseless. I think we have to fight back. > We > > >> >>> > have tolerated this nonsense for far too long. We should take on > the > > >> >>> > media and demonstrate to the people that they are not > trustworthy > > >> and > > >> >>> > are out to basically sensationalise events. Jamia Millia is > being > > >> seen > > >> >>> > as the Muslim institution that it is not; it is a secular > > >> institution > > >> >>> > funded by the Central Government. The question of legal aid is > not > > >> >>> > being looked at from the perspective of a teacher's > responsibility > > >> to > > >> >>> > her students. As the head of the institution, I feel I have an > > >> >>> > obligation towards my students. And I am not using the > taxpayer's > > >> >>> > money for it. But the real issue is of principle. If this had > > >> happened > > >> >>> > to a non-Muslim student, I would have done the same. I am also > > >> >>> > upholding the rule of law. Why have we forgotten the principle > that > > >> >>> > says that an accused is innocent until proven guilty? > > > > >> >>> > In the ultimate analysis, our society, which has gone through > the > > >> >>> > Khalistan movement and experienced terrorism in the Northeast, > must > > >> >>> > look at these incidents in a more cool-headed manner. Because > you > > >> >>> > can't fight it by reacting in a hysterical manner. Also, our > police > > >> is > > >> >>> > becoming more politicised and communalised. We haven't > reoriented > > >> them > > >> >>> > into becoming the custodians of the secular values enshrined in > the > > >> >>> > Constitution. Over the past 10 years, there has been a > systematic > > >> >>> > pattern — Deoband University, an institution with a glorious > record, > > >> >>> > has been targeted. So has Nadvat-ul-Ulema in Lucknow. Aligarh > > >> >>> > University has always been targeted, despite its being a modern > > >> >>> > institution with its doors open to all. Is there a pattern in > this > > >> >>> > madness? We need to reflect on these issues. The alienation is > very > > >> >>> > deep, and has to stop. But instead of supporting us, which would > > >> also > > >> >>> > mean supporting an institution committed to secular values, > there > > >> are > > >> >>> > attempts to undermine our secular foundations. > > > > >> >>> > And now we are dealing with a younger generation of Muslims. I > > >> believe > > >> >>> > in a liberal, eclectic and pluralist idea of Islam, but I > suspect > > >> this > > >> >>> > vision will not be shared by those who are feeling insecure and > > >> >>> > excluded, socially and culturally. Why have the guilty in > Gujarat > > >> not > > >> >>> > been punished? Why? Why? Why is the VHP and Bajrang Dal not > banned > > >> for > > >> >>> > killing innocent Christians and desecrating their churches? > > > > >> >>> > I regard myself, as do millions of others, as part of the > edifice > > >> that > > >> >>> > is called India. The idea of India is my idea. There is no India > > >> >>> > without me, and I will not let that change. We have already > taken > > >> >>> > certain steps to counter subversive ideas that might fracture > our > > >> >>> > secular society. I appeal to civil society and the media to let > us > > >> >>> > live in peace, and get on with our simple and innocent job — > pursuit > > >> >>> > of knowledge. There is a limit to what one can tolerate. Nobody > dare > > >> >>> > question our commitment to education, and our loyalty to the > Indian > > >> >>> > Constitution. > > > > >> >>> > (Hasan is Vice-Chancellor, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi) > > >> >>> > From Tehelka Magazine, Vol 5, Issue 40, Dated Oct 11, 2008 > > > > >> >>> > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Shahina KK < > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >>> > wrote: > > >> >>> > > Dear friends, > > >> >>> > > I know this is a belated post. Infact I was taking time to > shrugg > > >> off > > >> >>> > > the > > >> >>> > > bewilderment,anguish and scare through which I had been > passing > > >> for > > >> >>> > > the last > > >> >>> > > three weeks.The article I wrote in the hoot.org caused me > trouble > > >> and > > >> >>> > > trouble only.I hope some of you might have been aware of > that.In > > >> the > > >> >>> > > following article-*SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE-* I am trying to > > >> summarise > > >> >>> > > the > > >> >>> > > whole episode. > > >> >>> > > Hindustan Thimes on today has carried a trimmed version of > this > > >> >>> > > article > > >> >>> > > under the title 'Your Religion follows You'. > > > > >>http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?sectionName=Ho. > .. > > > > >> >>> > > Shahina > > > > >> >>> > > *SHIVER… DOWN THE SPINE* > > > > >> >>> > > * **My tryst with the e-messengers of terror* > > > > >> >>> > > * * > > > > >> >>> > > *Shahina K K* > > > > >> >>> > > Since14th September 2008, writing has become a laborious > exercise > > >> for > > >> >>> > > me. > > >> >>> > > It was all of a sudden that words turned heavy, staring at my > own > > >> >>> > > convictions, political thinking and journalistic vigor. It was > on > > >> a > > >> >>> > > gloomy > > >> >>> > > Sunday (the day after the bloody Saturday on which the life of > > >> twenty > > >> >>> > > odd > > >> >>> > > people had been taken away by some body called Indian > > >> Mujahideen)that > > >> >>> > > things > > >> >>> > > turned upside down. It's difficult to describe my terrible > sense > > >> of > > >> >>> > > shock > > >> >>> > > when it came to my notice that a part of > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to greenyouth@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
