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Waalaikumussalam wbt,
I agree that the country is still not ready to accept hudud.
Why? Because the present govt, the leaders are ignorant about it.
When they are ignorant,
they don't believe in it,
they don't plan for it or put effort to implement it,
no effort is done to educate the people...
meaning more reasons for us to change the govt.
For example, the present is so ambitious in trying bring Malaysia to an
industrialized nation by 2020. So much effor has been done, numerous
campaigns, etc.
How about becoming Islamic nation/state? Any vision? Vision 2010 perhaps
(i.e. if the govt sincerely plan for an Islamic state 10 years from now)?
The priority is very obvious!
To effectively educate the people,
numero uno, we need a just government who sincerely wants to implement Islam
fully.
secondly, with the government, you have all the engines that can be
utilized; the medias, all the govt sectors, judiciary, etc.
I'm not saying we have to rush, I'm not saying that if today Pas happens to
be in power,
hudud must be implemented the next day...
I don't think Pas leaders are rushing either. Otherwise they would have
implemented hudud in Kelantan & Terengganu despite opposition and
retaliation from BN/umno.
Unity?
I guess if one party wants to implement Islam and the other party against
it,
will there be unity?
I guess if unity is not the issue, this dicussion wouldn't have taken
place...
Pas doesn't care about unity?
I would say the controlling govt is playing the cards in bending and
twisting the facts and perception of the people. Even a simple and straight
forward statement by TGNA about aurat has been twisted, manipulated, and
blown out of proportion by umno and their controlled media.
Don't you see how ugly they are in playing their dirty tactics?
Media with headlines and bold titles saying such as "Nik Aziz Blame Women".
The title itself has a very strong negative impact and first impression
before a reader understands the whole content (provided that the media
covers the whole story).
Rejecting Majlis Melayu invitation, do you know the whole story or most of
us only hear from the story from the govt controlled media??
Do we give the Pas a fair opportunity to explain?
Bringing Pas into Umno?
It's more like trying to mix water with oil...
See happened to DSA...
trying to clean umno from inside...
and he was quite close to achieve his goal, with strong support within umno,
many Islamic organizations, and corporate sectors.
And do you think the kuffars, munafiquns, enemy of Islam will prefer the
ways of umno or pas?
I would say that they will be more comfortable with umno and they will keep
it that way...
Wassalam.
-----Original Message-----
From: luqman ismael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:14 PM
To: Hassan Haslim
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: H-Net* RE: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
akum fellow brothers.....
I'm so sorry for interrupting your discussion.....but after i read your
writings i feel i need to express my opinion regarding this topic.......i
think about the hudud....our country is still not ready to accept it.....not
because hudud will make our people impaired...or lose the ability to
work....BUT because our people dont have enough knowledge about hudud.....we
are taught that...before we implement any kind of rules...we must inform the
public about the rules.....how it works.....what are their rights in
hudud?.... what are the conditions that must be fulfilled before the
sentence can be carried out...?.....etc.....today many people dont
understand about hudud...and this kind of people includes our PM......our PM
obviously doesnt understand
the real hudud......from his words i know he's lack of knowledge in
hudud......
i know it's scary to hear people get canned 100 times for
adultery......BUT practically....it's NOT EASY to cane the man and the woman
.....because one of the conditions that must apply before they can be
canned is.......there must be 4 people who saw the man's 'thing' entered the
woman 'thing'.......do u think people will do it in front of other
people.....of course not.....practically most of the people who committed
it will be punished according to our current rules...(takzir...)......i
think if Madey know bout this....he wont be hesitant to implement
hudud.......same thing with the potong tangan.....there are about 7
conditions that must apply b4 we can cut the hand.....one of the conditions
is the robber/thief must have committed the crime because of poverty
.......today...do u think people will rob for fun.....of course not.....only
Mafia rob for fun.....so finally we will again use the takzir.....(our
current rules....).....but this doesnt mean hudud 's not suitable to be
practiced......we have to practice it (after we informed the public about
the real hudud ) because it's Allah's order...and we are His servants......
another thing that concerns me is the unity of Msia muslims.......since
our society dont have sufficient knowledge in Hudud...Pas perlu lakukan
perkara ini seperti menarik rambut dari tepung........what are the advantage
of hudud...? it will make our society safe from crime...Allah will bless
us........hudud can make us strong......insyaAllah...but now we can see that
we Muslim are not united anymore......there are 2 branch of muslim ...umno
and pas......can we be strong without unity.......?.......hell no......Pas
should try to implement hudud....slowly....tarik rambut dari tepung......i
CANT see why we have to rush in implementing hudud.......kita tentu pernah
mendengar cerita pembunuh yg meninggal dalam perjalannya ke masjid untuk
bertaubat.......tapi akhirnya dia masuk syurga juga kerana usahanya untuk
bertaubat (walaupun sebenarnya dia tak sempat taubat).....same as hudud...we
need not to rush in implementing it.......all we need to do is preserve the
unity.....and MOVE slowly (but dont stop !!! ) in implementing
hudud.....insyaAllah Allah will bless us...
.......right now i doubt Pas honesty in making hudud as our
system..........if they want to implement Hudud because of Allah....they
should try to avoid the disunity of Muslim in M'sia .......and do hudud
slowly.........right now they seem to rush and they dont care about our
unity ..they rejected the invitation to Majlis Melayu just because of the
word 'Melayu' ...they are making umat stronger and weaker at the same time
(mostly weaker....)......Why?......what do they want actually.....? power
or keredhaan Allah....?.......it seems that they are pursuing the
former......Sesungguhnya dalam usaha ke arah kebaikan....Allah tidak lihat
hasilnya....Allah hanya lihat bagaimana kita mengusahakannya......adakah ia
seperti menarik rambut dari tepung ataupun gelojoh semacam.........if im Nik
Aziz....i'll bring PAS into UMNO......so PAS will have better chance to
explain to them the real practical Hudud .........and at the same time unite
the Muslim....thus slowly implement the Hudud.....cepat atau lambat tak
penting...yg penting kita buat untuk keredhaan Allah......buat seperti
menarik rambut dari tepung........
wasalam...just my humble opinion......
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> Wa'alaikumussalam wbt,
> Dear Brother Shah,
>
> Same to me with your reply...
> What have Pas done so far?
> There are many things done Pas has been doing except majority of the
people
> were not exposed, or simply the govt controlled medias do not provide an
> equal exposure despite obstacles from you know who...
> Maybe you should spend some time reading Harakah or other medias which are
> not controlled by govt...
>
> I'm not saying Pas is perfect...
> However, I believe everybody can see more clearly if Pas is the given the
> FAIR opportunity to lead federal govt and all media is no longer in
> controlled by BN cronies...
> then why not letting Pas the amanah with the people's money...
>
> You said the Chinese do not understand about hudud...
> Yes, I agree because the govt has no intention to implement hudud, no
> intention to educate the non-muslims about Islamic judiciary and law...
> even many muslims are still ignorant about hudud...
> otherwise they would have agreed 100%, right?
> If the govt is sincere in the direction implementing hudud (or becoming an
> Islamic state),
> they have been had the chance for the last 43 years...
> If PM is not ignorant about hudud, he would not have ridiculed about it...
> (e.g. of what he said, the country will not be productive if we
dismemebered
> the hands and legs of the thieves in the meeting with chief ministers &
MBs
> at Langkawi as compared to
> Suratul Ma`idah ayat 38 yang bermaksud,
> "Pencuri lelaki dan pencuri perempuan,maka hendaklah
> kamu semua potong tangan kedua-dua mereka itu sebagai
> balasan dengan apa yang mereka usahakan.Dan ini adalah
> sebagai hukuman pencegah daripada ALLAH SWT.Dan ALLAH
> itu Tuhan yang Maha Perkasa lagi Maha Bijaksana."
>
> Ofcourse if Pas would have implement it now, it would be kelam-kabut... no
> surprise, since PM has been instilling fear about implementing hudud...
> he has been telling everybody implementing hudud would create chaos...
> he has been propogating the negative impact of implementing hudud...
> instead of educating the public about hudud!
>
> If you are in a big crowd and suddenly you yell at the crowd there is a
live
> bomb nearby, definitely the public will be in chaos...
> it is the same thing what PM has been doing...
> If PM is really sincere for hudud, he would have said positive things
about
> hudud...
> If kelam-kabut, wouldn't you blame the person who cried wolf???
>
> Pas brainwashed me? Surprise!
> What all the medias controlled by the govt, without having attended any
> special program by Pas???
> I can still remember clearly when an 'ulamak' sent by BTN trying to preach
> that we must obey the ruler by using the Ayat "Athi ULLAH wa athi urrasul
wa
> ulil amri mingkum" but without finishing the whole Ayat...
>
> You said not to use Fed govt as an excuse...
> Ah ha!! Same tactics from umno...
> since fed govt IS the main excuse and the main obstacle, and then you tell
> me not use the excuse...
> it is as if you punched someone in the face and then you tell me not to
say
> the punch is main cause that bruised the face...
> Funny isn't it??
>
> Sandiwara...
> What has the govt got to achieve from sandiwara???
> I thought it has been quite obvious, don't you notice it???
> PM has successfully linked Al-Maunah to Pas...
> by declaring some of al-maunah member have Pas stickers...
> I wonder to which political party are the rest of al-maunah associated
with
> (which was not mentioned, ofcourse)???
> he successfully used the deductive reasoning tactic...
> Remember the deductive reasoning joke?
>
> Islamic country? None...
> Then name me your so-called Islamic country...
> if there is any, I think it is an embarrassment to Malaysia, since the
govt
> has been propogating as Malaysia is THE example Islamic country and the
> Malaysia Boleh spirit!!!
>
> Quiting EON, I quit not because of EON is a crony company...
> Ha! This has been one of the famous attack point for pro-umno...
> I wonder, why Rasulullah s.a.w did not forbide any of the sahabahs from
> working, earning income from the kuffar???
>
> Yes, many malay muslims are stupid!
> I have many non-muslim friends and colleagues, and umno & bn have been a
> laughing stock...
> don't you realize it?
> Ofcourse they are also laughing at Pas, I can understand it because they
> don't understand Islam and what is Pas trying bring...
> I can understand when they laughed at Pas for trying to implement hudud,
> Islamic law, Islamic dressing...
> but when they laughed at our judiciary system, the court proceedings...
> I wonder why many still don't feel a thing when our judiciary system (of
> so-called a GREAT country) has been a BIG joke and ridiculed???
>
> and yes, many malay muslims are stupid... selling of their principles, no
> matter how heavy the crimes have been committed, they just close their
eyes
> and ears as long as the injustice do not befall on them.
> I guess the malays deserve more injustice until they wake up and open up
> their hearts...
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ahmad Shariman Mohamed Garip [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:20 AM
> To: Hassan, Haslim; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Azlee Hj Mizan'; 'Fid'; 'Marhalisa
> Matari'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Ahmad Albakree Mohd Razalli'
> Subject: Re: The Star:No one can object to Putrajaya decision
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>
> Dear brother Haslim,
> Assalamualaikum wbt.
>
> Yr answers dissapoints me.
> I did not say that we cannot criticize the government. All I am saying is
> what have PAS done so far? And what critisism have you got for them, or
> everything is perfect...? Nik Aziz ..., PAS President for life, is
it...????
>
> Maybe the next STAR headlines should sound: No one can object Nik Aziz or
> Ustaz Hadi...
>
> On following Allahs' teachings- you miss the point. In simple
English...you
> want to go to Kuala Lumpur from Rawang, if current infra structure takes
me
> 1 hour to reach KL then I have to take that one hour if not I'll break a
lot
> of traffic rules or might even hurt someone...
> Sama goes in following what is due to Allah, TACTFULNESS is the word. Iman
> tu 3 level- dalam hati, dalam perkataan dan dengan
perbuatan.remember...You
> tak nak negara kita kelam kabut, Cina belum faham yang banyak ttg Islam
kita
> dah nak implement Hudud, nanti dia sensitif. Are you prepared to see
negara
> kelam kabut, anak nak keluar rumah pun takut, boleh terima hakikat ini
> berlaku sekarang?
>
> Principle...principle...!!! What the heck? You don't have any principles.
> When you were with the govt in all those so called govt programs, you said
> you were brainwashed. Now it seems that you have been more brainwashed
with
> PAS.
>
> On success of the Kelantan govt. , I merely ask you 10 Questions, so far
no
> answers. Such things should be at yr finger tips if you think that they
are
> so good. I have warned you not to use the Fed govt as an excuse, you still
> use it as an excuse! What a whimp.
> I will join jihad if it is a very true cause. Remember the Serbians
> Christians justified slayings of Muslims in Yugoslavia due to their holy
war
> cry. It was so called 'jihad' in the christianity teachings but for the
> wrong reasons. PAS jihad, if they dare called it can be of same meaning.
>
> Sandiwara are mostly in TVs by actors/actresses. What has the govt got to
> achieve by sandiwara.
> What a joke, from a so called educated person from our educated society.
>
> On Islamic country, then in this case name me 3 Islamic country in this
> world and why or is there none basing on yr simple and naive definition.
You
> chose to close yr ears on the file that I have forwarded to you regarding
> this matter.
>
> On economic crisis, I am glad that you have quit EON, the so called crony
of
> Mahathir. Good principles, after so many years... I don't understand yr
> statement on this point.
>
> Yeah you are surely right on Datuk Harun statement, only that he should
> labelled it on both his beloved PAS and BN- "nak seribu daya, tak nak
(atau
> nak sandiwara) 1000 excuses"...
>
> May Allah gives victory to faithful people.
>
> I can go on and on and on ...
> but we Malays Muslims are so stupid. Surely the Chinese and the Indians
are
> laughing at us behind our back. Melayu terus layu....the others are
spending
> their time surfing the net for knowledge and entrepenuerial opportunities
> and we...
>
> Wassalam.
>
>
>
> >
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