From: "Alex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
To: <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at roundend
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 10:27:44 +0200
but as we know meanwhile it doesn't make a difference regarding this
issue.
so - I think its time FOR AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY VALVE/STEAM NOW!
sorry, but I think its kinda desaster meanwhile with no comment from
producer's site!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Svensk Ljud & Ljus Produktion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at roundend
check in boot dir
for the kernel no you downloaded /boot/config-2.6.xx-x.xxxx.fc6
open it in kate or some editor
look for this lines
# CONFIG_HZ_100 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_250 is not set
# CONFIG_HZ_300 is not set
CONFIG_HZ_1000=y
CONFIG_HZ=1000
As you can se - my config-2.6.20-1.2933.fc6 is default set to 1000hz
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guy Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:49 AM
Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at roundend
How do you know it is 1000Hz?
} -----Original Message-----
} From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-
} [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Svensk Ljud & Ljus
Produktion
} Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 4:35 PM
} To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
} Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at
roundend
}
} I upgraded my FC6 in feb. and that kernel is default on 1000hz
} I dont remember the kernel no. but it was uploaded then I made an
update
!
} But we do have the lag then the clients starts to fill !
}
} Peter
}
} ----- Original Message -----
} From: "Buck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
} To: <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com>
} Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 10:03 PM
} Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at
roundend
}
}
} --
} [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
} I ask because yesterday, as a desperation attempt, I did a server
hardware
} upgrade to a dual-core athlon platform. The kernel I had compiled
(with
} 1000hz timing) wasn't compiled with SMP support, so I just loaded
to most
} recent vanilla redhat 2.6 smp kernel instead and to compile a new
kernel
} later. The thing is, my dod:s server problem completely went away.
Now I
} don't know if this is because of the new hardware or the default
redhat
} kernel, but it works! I'll try booting into a 1000hz kernel on it
tonight
} to
} see if the problem comes back.
}
} On 6/23/07, Guy Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} >
} > I am using a stock kernel. RH FC6.
} >
} > How can I determine the system timing? Can I change the system
timing
} > without compiling? Maybe with a boot option? I don't want to
build a
} > custom kernel if I can avoid it.
} >
} > Also, my CPU speed is 1000MHz. Is that fast enough for 1000Hz
timing?
} >
} > Thanks,
} > Guy
} >
} > } -----Original Message-----
} > } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-
} > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ics
} > } Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 3:46 AM
} > } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
} > } Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round - NOT at
} roundend
} > }
} > } Of course, all servers that i run have 1000Hz kernels. 50Hz is
} > } unplayable and 250Hz causes glitches too and fps is limited to
250.
} > } There is also 300Hz option on new kernels but ive always used
1000Hz,
} > } except for testing purposes, the other values. 1000Hz is the only
real
} > } value which it should be.
} > }
} > } -ics
} > }
} > } Buck kirjoitti:
} > } > --
} > } > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
} > } > I have a question for you guys with the same problem. Is your
linux
} > } kernel
} > } > compiled at 1Khz system timing? (CONFIG_HZ_1000=y)
} > } >
} > } > On 6/22/07, Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} > } >
} > } >> My server IP has been posted earlier, but as I already
stated to
} > } replicate
} > } >> the problem one must only join the server. I would be more than
} happy
} > } to
} > } >> hand over shell access to any valve individual to look into
this.
} > } >>
} > } >> On 6/22/07, ics <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} > } >>
} > } >>> Did you even read the post i wrote? I think not. 2 years they
have
} > ran
} > } >>> fine and now the lag, not before. With those CPU's, higher
} tickrate
} > is
} > } >>> just a dream.
} > } >>>
} > } >>> -ics
} > } >>>
} > } >>> Tom Leighton kirjoitti:
} > } >>>
} > } >>>> There is a recommendation list somewhere on the net, 33 tick
} cannot
} > } >>>> handle more than 20 players wether they are bots or not.
Have a
} > } search
} > } >>>> on the steampowered forums i think its there.
} > } >>>>
} > } >>>> Try boosting it to 66/100 tick and see what happens.
} > } >>>>
} > } >>>> ics wrote:
} > } >>>>
} > } >>>>> Let me tell you a story about 1 server ive been maintaining
} among
} > } >>>>> others. It runs a certain modification which uses bots on
other
} > side
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> and
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> humans on the other. Linux/AMD 2700+ 2,16GHz with 1 Gig
memory.
} > Gets
} > } >>>>> rebooted time to time. During 2 years, the performance of
the
} > server
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> has
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> somewhat "fluctuated" after each CS Source update. Let us
start
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> exactly
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> 2 years back when the server was able to run 13 bots
against 8
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> humans.
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> CPU couldnt take any more bots but the server ran fine with
} those
} > } >>>>> settings. After some time, things got better when that
update
} came
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> out
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> to source where they optimized the code and other things.
After
} > } that,
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> the server was able to handle up to 18 bots against 8 humans
} which
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> was
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> amazing thing. Later on, another update came and 2 bots
had to
} be
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> thrown
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> away to make server run smoothly. Some months later, another
} > updates
} > } >>>>> came and yet again 2 bots had to be thrown off to make it
run
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> smoothly
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> like before so back in 14 bots, almost the 13 the server
started
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> with.
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> Today, when i look at the server after the 2 latest official
} > updates
} > } >>>>> (no, the server didnt paticipate the betas), things are
again
} more
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> worse
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> but removing any bots doesnt solve the issue.
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> Now when the game is on, people play there, server tickrate
} drops
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> time
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> to time from 33 to 32,31 but goes back to 33 quickly.
This is
} > } clearly
} > } >>>>> seen with net_graph 3. When these drops occur, players
are able
} to
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> see
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> game "slowing down" and their fps drops and hits are not
always
} > } >>>>> registering. Glitches on screen and so on. I got in there to
} > verify
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> this
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> myself. Been playing 2 days now there a lot and it really is
} much
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> worse
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> than before these 2 updates. Now when i look at the CPU, its
not
} > } even
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> near the 100%. Most of the times when server is full, 70-80%
} tops
} > } but
} > } >>>>> usually around 50% but it spikes to 100% for just 0,1
seconds
} > time
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> to
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> time and i think that is causing the glitches. These spikes
} cannot
} > } be
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> seen with top, unless you make it update after 0,5
seconds or
} > } faster.
} > } >>>>> Slmon is also a good prog for spotting this. Even if someone
} plays
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> there
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> alone against 9 bots, the glitches occur. Tickrate drops,
cpu
} > } spikes.
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> Temporarely this is solved with -pingboost 2-3 option on
} startline
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> and
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> that helped a bit but spikes still occur.
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> Let it be noted that in 2 years, performance got up and
since
} that
} > 1
} > } >>>>> update, its gone down by every update. While most of the
time
} > server
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> has
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> ran fine, it never has got this kind of problem. Hdd has
been
} > } changed
} > } >>>>> once in this time and PSU too but everything else has
remained
} the
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> same.
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> This problem occured after 2 latest updates to CS Source. It
} > doesnt
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> help
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> if i remove 4 bots, the glitches still occur mid-game. Round
} start
} > /
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> end
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> are fine, they happen on middle of the game on this
particular
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> server.
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> We got another server with same glitch problem Linux/2,4GHz
with
} 1
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> gig
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> memory. It only has humans 24 slots on 33 tick and if we
drop
} > } players
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> to
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> 16, same glitches happen in game. This server also shows
major
} lag
} > } on
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> round_start which the other doesnt show. I have to admit
that
} this
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> runs
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> pretty much on the CPU edge but these latest updates did
} something
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> that
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> cannot be fixed by dropping slots count. Sometimes 3 seconds
} > freeze
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> time
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> is long gone and what is left of 5 min round, is then
4:57 or
} so.
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> Latest
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> 2 updates brought these problems which it didnt have before.
} There
} > } is
} > } >>>>> also a 3rd server which shows same glitches mid-game time to
} time
} > } and
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> its propably the CPU usage once again what is causing it. It
was
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>> _fine_
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>> before 2 latest updates to CS Source.
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> Im pretty sure i wrote this down for nothing but here it is
} > anyway.
} > } >>>>> -ics
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>> Ian mu kirjoitti:
} > } >>>>>
} > } >>>>>> --
} > } >>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
} > } >>>>>> I think as ever it may be useful if people list a bit more
info
} > to
} > } >>>>>> enable
} > } >>>>>> Valve to isolate if they haven't already (a couple of mails
} have
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>> been
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>>> more
} > } >>>>>> specific about specs etc).
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>> Maybe list all the usual stuff, hardware, server settings,
mods
} > } etc.
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>> They
} > } >>>>>> may not need it, but may also be worth adding if you can
} > reproduce
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>> the
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>>> problem easily/quickly and if Alfred can have ssh access
if he
} > } needs
} > } >>>>>> it.
} > } >>>>>> They may be doing something about it already, but if not
that
} > info
} > } >>>>>> may help.
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>> On 6/22/07, Alex / ch4os <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>> No confirmation so far.. i'm also waiting for any
feedback.
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>> Our gamers start searching for new servers, windows
machines
} > that
} > } >>>>>>> don't
} > } >>>>>>> lag at all for example...
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>> And i just can't tell them if valve's going to do
anything or
} if
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>> our
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>>>> server will be shut down soon... :(
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>> ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----
} > } >>>>>>> Von: Buck < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
} > } >>>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 22. Juni 2007 03:00
} > } >>>>>>> An: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com
} > } >>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [hlds_linux] Timeouts/Lags during a round
- NOT
} at
} > } >>>>>>> roundend
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>>>>>> --
} > } >>>>>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
} > } >>>>>>> I hate to nag, but has there been *any* confirmation of
this
} by
} > } >>>>>>>
} > } >>> valve?
} > } >>>
} > } >>>>>>> This
} > } >>>>>>> really sucks, all I can do is watch my server's rank
dwindle
} as
} > } all
} > } >>>>>>> the
} > } >>>>>>> regs
} > } >>>>>>> lose hope and leave :\
} > } >>>>>>>
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} > } >>>>>>>
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