There are a few of us not sure how many, that are on both sides of the aisle. I work in z/OS, Windows and Unix, including Linux and enjoy and embrace new ideas
Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Jim Thomas <j...@thethomasresidence.us> To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands Hear Hear ... I guess I'm not the only one that feels this way ... I will have a 'nasty-gram' later ... so stay tuned :-) Kind Regards Jim Thomas 617-233-4130 (mobile) 636-294-1014 (res) j...@thethomasresidence.us (Email) -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Siegel Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 4:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Wayne Driscoll <wdri...@us.ibm.com> wrote: > In my 20 plus year career I have seen a lot more people with mainframe > backgrounds expressing a willingness to learn and integrate usage of > non-mainframe technology than I have seen people from an "open-systems" > background show a willingness to learn anything about the mainframe. I completely agree with this statement. It is typically a requirement of mainframe types to understand open system terminology and then speak of mainframe using open systems language. sysplex vs. cluster is a typical rough and ready analogy. I've yet to see an open system person have even a vague understanding of record oriented I/O or PDS processing. The list goes on and on. > > =============================================== > Wayne Driscoll > OMEGAMON DB2 L3 Support/Development > wdrisco(AT)us.ibm.com > =============================================== > > > > From: > "R.S." <r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl> > To: > IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Date: > 07/18/2011 03:50 PM > Subject: > Re: Making Z/OS easier - Effectively replacing JCL with Unix like commands > Sent by: > IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu> > > > > W dniu 2011-07-18 22:15, Paul Gilmartin pisze: > [...] >> As upper management perceives, even through media such as airline >> magazines, that (some; I'm confident not all) z/OS systems programmers >> exhibit public delight in unwillingness to assimilate new technology and >> in performing their jobs in a needlessly difficult, even painful manner, > > I'm not 'upper management', I'm very downlevel manager and I don't read > airline magazines at all, I prefer some good redbook instead... 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