Hi Frank, On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Schima, Frank <frank.sch...@nist.gov> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Matt Newville <newvi...@cars.uchicago.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Frank, >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Schima, Frank <frank.sch...@nist.gov> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Matt Newville <newvi...@cars.uchicago.edu> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Bruce Ravel <bra...@bnl.gov> wrote: >>> >>> On 01/09/2014 08:24 AM, Stefano Luciano Ciurli wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hello Bruce and thank you for your hard work! >>> instructions to install on OS X 10.6.8? >>> >>> >>> There is not a Mac package. I do not own a Mac and and so do not have >>> the ability to develop a Mac package on my own. >>> >>> Over the years, no one has ever stepped up to help me develop a Mac >>> package for Demeter. (Or Debian packages, or RedHat packages, for >>> that matter.) >>> >>> >>> Well, I have *tried* many times, and put a fair amount of time in >>> getting Demeter to work on a Mac. What I have not done is *succeed*. >>> I can tell you that getting wxPerl to work on Mac OSX is far from >>> simple. Though Demeter is many years old now, and I've tried many >>> times over the years (and I using wxPython on Mac all the time), it is >>> only within the past few months that I have ever gotten wxPerl to >>> actually build on any Mac, and this was a 10.8 machine. Currently >>> (though I haven't looked at it in more than a month), getting the >>> Ifeffit-Perl interface to build properly with Mac OS 10.8 has me >>> stumped, as Apple is now using llvm/clang, making it challenging to >>> work well with gfortran. >>> >>> Migrating Demeter to use Larch should simplify the situation, as it >>> would remove the need for the Ifeffit-Perl interface. >>> >>> Frankly, the work I do on the Windows package takes a >>> lot of time. The only way I can claim that time fits in my job >>> description is because my group uses Windows machines at our >>> beamlines. Help would be welcome to develop packages for Mac and >>> other platforms, but despite repeated requests over many years, no one >>> has ever volunteered and actually seen it through to completion. >>> >>> >>> Yes, help building Demeter for Mac OSX would be great. >>> >>> >>> I too have put a lot of work into making Demeter run on OS X. I have been >>> attempting to make a port of it in Macports [1] so it is easy to install >>> and/or have a package installer created. >>> >>> The good news is that along the way I have successfully created a port of >>> ifeffit [2] that builds fine for me on 10.9 and should work all the way down >>> to 10.6. I utilize gcc for gfortran. I believe the ifeffit-perl bindings [3] >>> work too. After you install Macports [4], you can simply type: >>> >>> sudo port install p5.16-ifeffit >>> >>> The bad news is that my in progress Demeter port does not work yet. The >>> problem I’m stuck on is getting the perl-wx port [5] built. I have not been >>> able to get it built with the new wx-widgets version 3.0.0 that is in >>> Macports. The perl-wx people apparently don’t have support for that version >>> of wx yet and they never respond to my queries about it on the mailing list. >>> >>> I encourage people to test out ifeffit on OS X through Macports and give me >>> feedback - positive or negative. Thanks to Bruce for his support during this >>> endeavor. >>> >>> >>> Cheers! >>> Frank >>> >>> [1] <http://www.macports.org> >>> [2] >>> <https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/science/ifeffit/Portfile> >>> [3] >>> <https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/perl/p5-ifeffit/Portfile> >>> [4] <http://www.macports.org/install.php> >>> [5] <https://trac.macports.org/browser/trunk/dports/perl/p5-wx/Portfile> >>> >>> >> >> Thanks! I'm very glad you're working on this too. >> >> I wasn't able to build wxPerl with macports either, but it did work >> with citrusperl. I don't have a strong preference, but citrusperl >> does seem reasonable as a "standalone perl install". I don't know >> how likely it wold be to package this up into an App, but I suspect it >> would be possible. > > I don’t know anything about citrusperl - besides the 1 minute of looking at > the site since you mentioned it - but I’m working on a Macports based > solution to install Demeter and so I will be using perl from Macports only. I > feel that is the best way forward and where my knowledge lies. > >> FWIW, I think that Demeter does not need wxWidgets verision 3, and >> that 2.8 or 2.9 would be fine.... From recent experience with >> wxPython and wxWidgets 3, I'd take the conservative approach and see >> if Demeter can work with a not-too-old version like 2.9. Does that >> help you build with macports? > > It used to build for me, I think with wxWidgets 2.9. But for reasons that > I’ve now forgotten, Demeter did not completely run correctly when I built it. > I believe one of the sub programs did work for me however. But now that > wxWidgets has been updated in Macports to version 3, the perl-wx project has > apparently not been updated to accommodate this new version yet. wxWidgets > has been a major problem in Macports because it was 32-bit code and not > 64-bit ready. My understanding is that version 3.0 is 64-bit finally. This is > the desired state that will allow it to work better with OS X and Macports in > general. > >> And I have been able to build the Ifeffit-Perl bindings on 10.6, but >> not on 10.8. I assumed this is due to changes in the Fortran >> compilers. On one 10.8 machine, I know that I tried one of the 3rd >> party ports of GFortran from http://hpc.sourceforge.net/ It's >> certainly possible that I'm doing something wrong. I haven't looked >> at this in detail since November, but will give it another got over >> the next couple weeks. > > The p5.16-ifeffit port should build just fine on 10.8. > >> Of course, my preference would be to move away from the ifeffit >> library to Larch, and this definitely works on Macs (and I know I can >> make Apps), but it would be good to get some version of Demeter >> working. > > I’m open to this. There is currently no port in Macports for Larch. That > would be the first step. Do you think it would be useful? Perhaps we can work > on this offline. Feel free to email me directly about that. > > > Cheers! > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > Ifeffit mailing list > Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov > http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit
I'm not opposed to any solution that might work. I see 2 positive features of citrusperl: 1. it comes with wxPerl (for both wxWidgets 2.8 and 2.9, it seems) 2. it claims to make repackaging easy, so that a single Demeter package, similar to how Bruce distributes Demeter on Windows with strawberryperl, might be possible. I made some progress today. Installing the gfortran 4.8.2 package from http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/GFortranBinaries allowed me to build PGPLOT (with X Windows) and Ifeffit with PGPLOT on OS 10.8 with very little trouble (I didn't try to build PNG support - PGPLOT is broken for this). Demeter doesn't need PGPLOT, this was a sign of other conflicts. I ran into a snag building the Ifeffit-Perl interface with citrusperl -- I believe it actually compiled the wrapper code, but there is some confusion between the system Perl and citrusperl. I think this is solvable, but might take some effort. --Matt PS: FWIW, I'm using the 64-bit version of citrusperl. _______________________________________________ Ifeffit mailing list Ifeffit@millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov http://millenia.cars.aps.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ifeffit
