We have had a number of different views expressed recently on our approach
to creating an alternative to Microsoft Passport  with ActiveCheckout.
http://checkout.gpayments.com/

Our position is that unless alternatives are introduced into the market,
Microsoft will eventually end up owning OUR  INFORMATION and controlling our
ONLINE IDENTITIES. The current Passport Terms of Use agreement not only
fails to guarantee confidentially, but actually gives Microsoft and its
business partners the right to OWN YOUR IDENTITY, and do pretty much what
they want with it. For further information see
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18002.html

ActiveCheckout is the approach we have taken to provide an alternative. We
appreciate any constructive feedback which assists us in providing a
solution to this problem.

This has been an interesting discussion which has diverged into a number of
areas and I would like to thank everyone who has  shared their views and
participated in the discussion. I have attempted to reference as many of
these views as possible and  give some further background in this response.

Both PC's and Servers have vulnerabilities when it comes to secure data
storage. However, in some cases the PC is not the  most insecure place to
store information. The rewards for hacking into a PC are not as great as
hacking a server and the PC  also gains a security advantage through safety
in numbers. Where ever sensitive information is stored it should be stored
in  encrypted form and only be accessible via password. As was pointed out,
passwords are the most common form of protection on  the web and the web is
growing at a healthy rate based upon password authentication systems.

We agree that most users do not have the interest or ability to secure their
PC's. ActiveCheckout had to be designed to take  care of this without the
user even knowing it. This is why the user only has to type in their
information into the applet and  create a password. Their information is
then automatically stored more securely than if they were to type the
information  into, for example, a word processing document. This is the
approach we took with ActiveCheckout by storing the sensitive information in
encrypted form on the user's local PC.

Our approach is not the same as Microsoft's in emphasizing convenience over
security. The focus of ActiveCheckout is  security, privacy and the ability
to leverage industry standard authentication schemes being introduced by
major credit card  companies.

While there are many shock-value news stories regarding the fraudulent use
of credit cards online, I am assuming that as we  move forward people will
continue to transact over the Internet in greater numbers.

ActiveCheckout is different from the WALLETS which were promoted by
Microsoft and IBM - Please see  http://checkout.gpayments.com/faq5.htm which
has comparison tables for both Microsoft and IBM wallets.

We agree with the approach taken by the working group in the x9.59 standards
regarding making the financial transactions  authenticated. If Verified by
Visa and MasterCard SPA/UCAF become ubiquitous the result will be that
credit card account  numbers are no longer shared-secrets and the concern
regarding storage of account numbers will diminish. While ActiveCheckout  is
really built for this future it also recognizes that the credit card number
must remain an unauthenticated shared secret  in the medium term. Therefore
ActiveCheckout encrypts the credit card number for storage on the user's
local PC rather than  storing it in the clear. This is designed to mitigate
the possibility of credit card fraud attacks such as Egghead.com, CD
Universe etc.

We should have said that authentication of online credit card payments
should remain with credit card issuers rather than  with technology
companies such as Microsoft. This does not preclude other organisations from
providing authentication  services for other non-financial services or for
other payment types. We are keen for the banks to work with other trusted
entities but once again the reality is that banks have shown a reluctance to
do this. While there are exceptions, most of the  time banks see these other
entitites as potential competitors.

We feel that for Consumers to buy generic signing devices with pin pads
involves too much friction for the consumer to make  authenticated online
transactions. Authentication should at a minimum only require software and
not hardware which is  expensive and not always available.

I must make it clear that ActiveCheckout does not sell, share or reveal any
kind of personal information on anyone unless the  user chooses to provide
this information via a standard website to third parties. In this way it is
different from consumer  shopping and advertising networks. ActiveCheckout
was designed specifically as an identity management and authentication
solution.

ActiveCheckout does give the user the ability to manage their authentication
themselves. It does not involve any certificate  authority being involved in
the authenticated transactions. It actually gives the individual the right
to identify themselves  to other parties in transactions through enlisting
the assistance of their bank.

We agree that individuals have a right to their own reputation and that this
is certainly a higher natural right than the  right of some person or
company who sold me a product. The logical extension here is that the
individual should be able to  maintain their own identity in their own
applet rather than having it maintained by Amazon, AOL, Microsoft or Yahoo.
For  further information I will refer you to another GPayments whitepaper:
Electronic Wallets: Past, Present and Future which can  be found at
http://www.gpayments.com/pdfs/GPayments_eWallet_Whitepaper.pdf

There is a general concern over a single bank being able to gain access to a
consumer's lifetime banking transaction history.  We realized that consumers
are always going to deal with more than one financial institution and for
this reason  ActiveCheckout supports multiple banks. It allows a cardholder
to enter multiple credit cards from multiple issuers,  potentially
authenticate with all of them while providing a single management point for
the consumer. From this perspective  ActiveCheckout could be viewed as a
personal authentication gateway for the consumer.

While I would characterize ActiveCheckout as an alternative to Microsoft
Passport I would say that it is an applet which  could work with
inititatives such as Liberty Alliance in the future.

We agree that banks and credit card companies have the best chances of
hosting/supporting authentication schemes due to their  trust function.
However, these organisations are slow when it comes to deploying the
technology to support the authentication  schemes. Our approach is to
provide an applet which can connect to banks, when they come on board with
authentication standards, but allows the consumer to retain control of their
online identity.

Brent Clark
GPayments

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:37 AM
To: 'Don Park'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Alternative to Microsoft Passport: Sunshine vs


I think we are subverting the original topic  around Microsoft Passport
and the Gpayment wallet, and turning it into a thread entitled 'Fear of
a Hacker Planet'.

Let's return to the issue and mention the similar Liberty Alliance
project, http://www.projectliberty.org, and a relatively recent report
on the subject by Mastercard (July 2001, available on
http://www.finextra.com/Finextra-downloads/MCARD_EWALLET.PDF).

Questions exist about whether such eWallet initiatives:
(1) are effective in building a better customer experience using
existing e-commerce authentication schemes;
(2) will generate sufficient 'network good' in the marketplace for
merchants to consider promoting them, and
(3) can straddle the inherent competitive sensitivities of e-commerce
aggregation.

The first issue is addressed very well by Gpayments' collateral and the
Mastercard report. Despite its appeal, single sign-on alone is rarely a
good enough reason for a consumer to install an aggregator-wallet per se
- a considerable leap of faith by the user is required (on the lines of
'don't put all your eggs in one basket', no matter how trustworthy the
basket).

The additional effort of installing the client-side software is
typically sweetened by peripheral customer benefits: automated form
population (ex: MS Passport, Gpayments); screen-scraping, or aggregated
views of e-commerce accounts (ex: Yodlee); the ability to encrypt
personal files; (for corporate scale implementations) intelligent
management of ACLs (ex: Ubizen's MultiSecure); etc. Even stronger,
commercial sweeteners are being tried by some players in the space -
discounts at wallet-linked merchants (ex: AllCharge), affilated access
to multiple digital content providers (ex: ClickShare), or enforcing
wallet-usage as a pre-requisite for using a specific service (numerous
pre-pay schemes take this approach, ex: Germany's Paybest). Mastercard's
evidence suggests that banks and credit card companies have better
chances of hosting/supporting these schemes (53%, versus 36% for
Internet Companies and 11% for ISPs).

The second issue is that the best technology doesn't always win.
Merchants will not invest in enabling their sites to participate in
wallet-enabled revenue-share schemes unless they see a positive effect
on their bottom line: more (or more loyal) customers, fewer shopping
cart abandonments, cost reductions, revenue increases, and... dare I
mention it... profits. Few technology start-ups can afford to target a
global, mass-market consumer base and build sufficient recognition for
their wallet. They need to focus on relationship building among
organisations with a ready-made consumer base (banks, telcos, utilities,
retailers, etc.). Microsoft's trump card rests on its brand recognition,
sheer size, deep pockets and ability to suppport developers building
.net compliant platforms. The Liberty Alliance has these too, but I'm
guessing that marketing of the Liberty wallet is likely to be slowed by
the collegiate decision-making of all collaborative e-commerce groups...
any insider comments on progress at the Liberty Alliance are welcome.

The third issue is highly relevant in the financial sector, especially
in countries where a handful of domestic banks typically dominate the
retail scene (read 'nearly all countries'). Customer ownership and The
Brand are major issues for financial institutions. Around two years ago,
aggregation schemes were seen as a killer application in e-banking, yet
banks have woken up to the competitive issues of the technology ('how
can we monitor customer use of our platform?', 'why should the bank rely
on the security of a third party technology, rather than direct customer
authentication?', 'this wallet widget completely ignores my logo and
never falls for my cross-sell ads', etc.). In Europe at least, only the
brave financial institution would attempt a unilateral wallet scheme
that is able to store passwords of a competing bank's e-banking app.
Multilateral, cobrand and white label workarounds seek to solve the
issue (see the FSTC's FAST initiative). The jury is still out here, too.

Let's discuss these issues with a view to some consensus.

Pete Thomas - Marketing and Communications
Clear2Pay - In banks, we trust
Zikkelstraat 64 rue de la Faucille - 1970 Wezembeek-Oppem (Brussels) -
Belgium
T: +32 2 759 94 96 - F: +32 2 759 45 54
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.clear2pay.com


P.S. - As to security, as former editor of SecurityWatch.com I've seen
my fair share of shock articles... a new one surfaces every month or so
in the big news sources, and every few minutes on infosec portals like
www.securitynewsportal.com. I agree with Don that the carder issue is
neither new, nor will it disappear. The issue remains one of ensuring
that risk is manageable. Until we all sprout wings and strum harps,
society will be subject to crime. So in the meantime, we must engage in
a security and legislative arms race: the benefits of a good e-commerce
application should outweigh the risks, every time.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Don Park [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:09 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Subject: RE: Alternative to Microsoft Passport: Sunshine vs


John,

I have read the news article about apparently blooming and evolving
business of trading credit cards and card numbers.  To be frank, it was
not news to me.  Desperate and creative people, like rats, will steal
what they can. Its a fact of life.  You can't get rid of them just as
you can't get rid of rats in ships.

You wrote:
"I'm deadly serious! Take a couple of minutes *right now* and read this
article carefully - it will certainly be the most important thing you do

today (if not this YEAR)."

You are starting to sound more like a salesman than a security expert at
this point.  Your company, PaymentCentral, sells "Secure Telephone
Transfer" and claims that telephone is the most secure payment method.
Nice pitch, but it will take more than a doomsday salesman to stop the
online payment industry.

Getting back to the original subject, validity of client-side
authentication, my position is that the risk is within acceptable limits
because a) credit card number theft from desktops are not easily
scalable, and b) there are more rewarding preys (i.e. servers).

Yes, entrepreneurial hackers sometime attack desktops, but they usually
do so to look for information that will help them hack into servers.
Run of the mill hackers attacking desktops are either small fries or on
a joyride.

The article also pointed toward evolving and organizing world of credit
card black market.  My position is that attempts to organize such market
beyond the 'acceptable' level will result in its own demise.  If you
have studied the Catastrophe theory, you will know that something will
snap and rats will have to scramble yet again and life will go on.

Best,

Don Park


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 5/14/02 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: Alternative to Microsoft Passport: Sunshine vs

DO>It is true that desktop machines are easily compromised.  However, we
are
DO>not searching for the holy grail here, just something practical and
DO>acceptable to all parties involved.  Also, I don't see the point of
trying
DO>to solve everything with technology when there are other means such
as
DO>social, legal, and business means to control the risk.

DO>Practically entire web is currently protected with just passwords yet
the
DO>web is healthy and thriving despite constant attacks at all points.
DO>Everyone knows that DNS is a weak chain, yet billions use it
everyday.

DO>Best,

DO>Don Park

Don,

If you really believe that ANY online method can possibly be "practical
and acceptable to all parties concerned", then check out this article
which appeared yesterday in the New York Times, and come back and tell
me if your opinion remains the same - if it does, then (forgive me!)
you're living in a dream world, not the real world.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=68&ncid=68&e=2&u=/nyt/
20020513/ts_nyt/credit_card_theft_thrives_online_as_global_market_losses
_grow

I'm deadly serious! Take a couple of minutes *right now* and read this
article carefully - it will certainly be the most important thing you do
today (if not this YEAR).

(If you have any trouble accessing it, let me know and I'll send you a
copy.)

Cheers,

John Vinokur
President
Payment Central Inc.
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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