careful, somebody might think you are playing ringer for aads chip strawman
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/index.html#aadsstraw
and aSuretee
http://www.ausretee.com/

slight quibble .... establish authentication with public key cryptography
... mixing up identification and authentication can get really messy.

--
Internet trivia, 20th anv: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/rfcietff.htm


todd boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 6/12/2003 4:26 pm wrote:

Public key cryptography is quite usable for the problem of
enabling competent, willful individuals to prove their identity
and other assertions over networks.  Of course there are no
secure devices in common use that can't be hacked in seconds
by hackers of sufficient skill.   But that is another problem.

Public key cryptography is much less useful in addressing
the problem of organizations and governments to positively
identify unwilling, recalcitrant citizens at the other end of a
network connection.

PKI's not working for that, and neither will anything else
ever work for that.   You cannot control what is at the other
end of an electric wire.  Only the other person can control
that.

Oh, you can win their cooperation in some interaction
they *decide* to participate in.  And you can even make
them "an offer they cannot refuse."    But you're never
really going to achieve net gain with a machine with a
network, with customers tethered to the network.

Organizations are accustomed to earning long term,
recurring cash flows from physical buildings, physical
employees watched over by managers, and procedures of
internal control, that's not going to happen when the
"organization" is a supreme computer with no employees.
There is no magic protocol, no crypto, that will achieve
this.  Accordingly banks should put in hands of their
customers, an honest signing device and forget their
dreams of pki empire,

Todd


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