https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959

--- Comment #292 from ther <inp...@gmail.com> ---
(In reply to William from comment #289)
> 
> On the other side, we have a small bunch of people explaining us that 
> - we don't know how to use Ooo

true

> - the feature we want is useless 

personal opinions? Note that to date, not a single programmer values the
requirement sufficient to write new code accordingly. Authors, by definition
good communicators, continue to fail to communicate the value...

> - the work can be done by ather way. 
> 

ibid.

> None of them has been able to show a efficient way to do the same as with
> the MSW outline view and all what they say show that they never had to work
> with such a feature. Furthermore, they're able to tell people working for
> decades with different word processors, text editors and publishing software
> and producing huge and various documents that they are just unable to think
> different.
> 

Correct

> 
> BUT I've been shocked by the idea to make a donation while asking to
> implement the feature. I hope that Ooo Foundation would NEVER take such a
> manoeuvre in consideration. (Even if I'm not naive enough to think it never
> happens)
>

There is nothing wrong with the principle of a group a people stating that they
value something (in this case, an m$ clone but without being prepared to pay
BTC 1e-5!) that they are prepared to commission payment. In the real world,
it's called consultancy. The whole purpose of open source software is
_freedom_: to pay, or not to pay...

> That would mean that future developments would be chosen, not considering
> what users want or miss, but be guided by the amount of donations. So the
> richest would have the features, the poorest would have the contempt. That
> sounds completely opposed to Open Source spirit.
> 

Total nonsense, future development has always been chosen by a combination of
donations, programmers skills and interests, users. Note that programmers'
interests are not mandated to equate to the priorities of users. Programmers
donate their time, users donate their time also.

> I make donations from time to time because I use these software, adhere to
> the Open Source spirit and goals and want to help the way I can. I wouldn't
> never think about putting requests in front of my donations. It wouldn't be
> donations anymore, but fees. 
> 

Nothing wrong with donations and consultancy fees. Those freedoms are the basis
of GPL. Compare with the option of m$ that all those that want a free m$ clone:
pay the licence fee or break the law (and we know many m$ fans have illegal
copies of m$ software...).

> Anyway, I'm fed up with all this sterile discussion, so I give up. I've
> moved to LibreOffice anyway and would only come back to Ooo if it has
> killing features or an outline view one day. But I don't think it will ever
> happen : this request last for too long, even after it has been "confirmed".
> And our opponents words show that development team may never understand why
> we miss this feature and how to achieve it the right way.

LO has m$ clone outline mode??? ;)

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