Michael Emmel wrote:
> Christoph Toshok wrote:
>
> > Michael Emmel wrote:
> >
> > > Justin Chapweske wrote:
> > >
> > > > > It was my understanding that this is not the case :
> > > > >
> > > > > <P>Internal Deployment of Compliant Covered Code is considered a
> > > > > Commercial Use and is subject to payment of "per unit" royalties to Sun
> > > > > based on the
> > > > > intended Field of Use, in the same manner as Commercial Use.
> > > > > Implementations
> > > > > of the Java<SUP>tm</SUP> 2 SDK must include Added Value.
> > > > >
> > > > > That not even the same as freely distributed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This doesn't apply to research/non-profit use. This is for companies like IBM
> > > > who'll make some changes to the JVM to help support their products
> > > > internally...I'm not defending it, just trying to shed some light.
> > > >
> > >
> > > But I can't just take the JDK1.2 source say it's for research and publish it on
> > > my web site. I do stand behind the "Idea" of a standard java esp for application
> > > development.
> > > I can't distribute in source code from according to there license. IMHO.
> > > The concept of reasearch binary distribution makes sense only to Sun an IBM Alpha
> > > Works.
> > > I'd like to distribute at least in pathc format but for example my code is not
> > > based off of Suns
> > > so a Patch release makes no sense. I hesistate to even begin to work with there
> > > code.
> > > I do use the Swing src but my top level stuff is tied to the Swing.
> > > I guess some guy just needs to get sued by Sun to clear this up. I doub't they
> > > care to clear up
> > > issues for us little fish.
> > > Who's first ??
> >
> > *raises hand*
> >
> > have they removed that broken, stupid clause in their license that says you can't
> > redistribute portions of their stuff? I really annoys me that if you want to use
> > japhar with sun's classes you have to download the entire JDK first. stupid stupid
> > stupid.
> >
> > I think it's really neat that the .jar files you get with the windows jdk are
> > different than the unix versions. I mean, I can understand not shipping the
> > JFC stuff for whatever licensing reasons, but they don't even give you
> > java.lang.Win32FileSystem in the unix .jar or java.lang.UnixFileSystem in the
> > windows one. i thought java.lang was supposed to be a standardized API, not the
> > dumping ground for platform specific classes.
> >
> > Chris
>
> Well that basically my probelem in a Nutshell too I've replace a protion of the JDK
> with my own implementation
> but if I want to build a bundle for a platform what do I ship in what format.
> For the stuff thats not part of my reasearch binary is okay to a point. But who
> decides where to draw the line.
> The diff stuff seems to be gone to simple be replaced by a big unknown.
> Man they really did not consider the OSS development model at all in this licence.
> Also the public style test debug
> cycles. The only thing I really whant from Sun these days is Hotspot and JFC.
> Has any body started on a runtime compiler ala hostspot thre seems to be a lot of
> documnetation in the Reaserach community
> on Hotspot type technology. I guess well wait and see if its worht persuing.
> When are you guys going to get japhar done dammit. : )
heh :)
btw, i started work on a JIT (written in java, of course :) shorly before the
electrical
fire release since I was getting antsy to work on a compile (and look what I do after
it's released. nothing.)
pointers to documentation about hotspot type technology would be wonderful. please
forward any to me that you know of :)
xtoph
