Because they claim customer feedback which shows that people can't find menu items if they're hidden through to many layers (read submenus), can't memorise/visualise where they are. I've seen some explanations which put this forth, but i don't have URL's to hand to find them. instead of things being layered horizontally as a basis, they are being layered more hierarchically and in shorter cross-sections. The blind have to fight against or with a stronger tide, is what it amounts to.

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So then, why did MS introduce them?
Do the sighted enjoy stumbling around in the semi darkness?


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On 3/25/2014 7:18 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:
Semantics. In Word and Excel, there are the more general top line ribbons and the more specific bottom line ribbons. The top line ribbon has a home position, helpful to navigating.

The bottom ribbon (which I called a line) has sub parts, which the JAWS virtual ribbon feature makes look like the sub menus on the top line menu familiar to most of us. The whole point of the JAWS virtual ribbon menu is to create the appearance of the top line menu/sub menu combination.

All of this said, navigating ribbons is a bit like navigating a ship at night by sight using sunglasses.

Cheers.
On 3/25/2014 4:31 PM, Tom Clary wrote:
be more specific. where does the bottom line start on the ribbons?
On 3/25/14, Jim Pursley <jim.purs...@gaiacapital.com> wrote:
Just another way to say bottom line.
On 3/25/2014 3:30 PM, Tom Clary wrote:
what do you mean 2nd line menus?

On 3/25/14, Jim Pursley <jim.purs...@gaiacapital.com> wrote:
So far, I prefer the JAWS virtual ribbon as I don't use much on the second line menus on Word and use mainly keystrokes on Excel. The JAWS virtual ribbon works fine for me in Thunderbird. Drawback to the JAWS virtual ribbons: Cant use first letter navigation on the lower ribbon. I've heard conflicting tales about the JAWS virtual ribbon leaving out
some menu choices.

But, like I said, I'm a newby to virtual ribbons.
On 3/25/2014 2:55 PM, Pinky wrote:
Hi Jaws users,



Is it easier to use the virtual ribbon in jaws as to just using the Microsoft ribbons? I would like opinions from all you Jaws users as to
which way you have your pc setup. Which one is easier to use.



Ed

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