Another valid point. I am sure many of us are still not sure how the Jetty team and/or CDN developers have suddenly put forth the notion that they were going to steal JBoss code and put it into this apache J2EE container, especially if they were still part of the JBoss development team and also were supporting JBoss. I look forward to the clearly defined statement (sooner than later hopefully) regarding this issue of mistrust of those developers and how it came about.
Thanks. --- Scott M Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It has nothing to deal with fear of the stealing the > code. Anyone can. Its about > working with people you trust to build a project > that has to answer to customers. > > -- > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Scott Stark > Chief Technology Officer > JBoss Group, LLC > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Kevin Duffey wrote: > > > I must have missed all the emails with misconduct > in > > them. > > > > So the "fear" you refer to is that you think Jetty > and > > other developers of CDN were going to "steal" > JBoss > > code, which is open-source, and take it over to > the > > apache J2ee project? > > > > See, that seems backwards to me. No offense > intended, > > but I think you get a lot further by being more > open > > and helping others, than the other way around. > That is > > why the forked idea of linux and such as worked so > > well. I would agree that I would not want a forked > > version of JBoss, then it becomes a little more > > confusing which one to go with. But if some > concepts > > work well with JBoss, such as the use of JMX that > > Jonas and others are using now for their backbone, > why > > not help? Is it the fear of the JBoss Group losing > > their own jobs supporting JBoss? I can't see why > that > > would happen with the proliferation of JBoss in > the > > market. I think another attempt at an open-source > J2EE > > container is going to be hard to catch up to JBoss > at > > this point, but even so, what's a little > competition. > > > > I recently read an article about how "stale" MS is > > with thier OSs and why they can give out crappy > copies > > of it. They have no competition on Intel machines. > > Sure, Linux, but not really on the desktop. The > > argument goes that if Apple were to bring Mac OS X > to > > Intel hardware, MS would have a real competitor > with a > > better OS on its platform. I suppose of MS was > smart > > they'd consider porting Windows to linux and Mac > OS X > > as well to have more hardware under thier OS. I > can > > see the same argument for JBoss. JBoss is really > the > > only solid J2EE free implementation around. I am > not > > sure if Jonas is entirely free, but Orion and > PRimatti > > are both very good servers for a mere $1500 per > server > > (no per cpu charge), so dropping $1500 for > production > > while no cost for anything else is not all that > much > > even for small companies. However, with another > > open-source J2EE container in the works, I can see > > where the JBoss developes might face a little more > > competition and think "Crap, we don't want to lose > > customers, so lets make it better..." and really > hone > > down on the jboss features, capabilities, > performance, > > etc. That is why competition is good, it keeps > each > > player in check. You don't want to slack off now, > > because with another free container on its way, > you > > may lose customers to it. Another thing Jboss may > face > > in a apache/jakarta type of free J2EE container is > > that Apache has a LOT of pull in the community. > Sun, > > IBM, and others all contribute to it, so while > JBoss > > is by far the leading J2EE container for its > > performace/features/compliance/price, another one > may > > put some pressure on JBoss to keep up the pace. > I'd > > also imagine with Apache and the likes behind it, > > there are possibly more developers to work on it, > and > > one other thing comes to mind... a fresh start on > a > > new design. JBoss has a great architecture, > although > > personally I have been wanting to see my own > concept > > of dynamically loadable plugins put into a J2EE > > container for some time. I just don't want to take > on > > that task my self. I'd imagine some developers > think > > "Kewl, another fresh start J2EE container, maybe > this > > idea I had that I wasn't allowed to add to Jboss > can > > get into this new container and will finally be > > usefull.." or something along the lines. > > > > Anywho, JBoss rocks, ya'll got a huge head start, > and > > hopefully all the ugliness between JBoss/JEtty, > the > > CDN developers and such will blow over and > everybody > > will get along. If not, well, I'd expect some > serious > > competition with the new free open-source > container > > that IS allowed to be forked and so forth. > Probably > > the anger alone will entice some of them to put in > > longer hours and more code. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built > ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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