I must have missed all the emails with misconduct in them. So the "fear" you refer to is that you think Jetty and other developers of CDN were going to "steal" JBoss code, which is open-source, and take it over to the apache J2ee project?
See, that seems backwards to me. No offense intended, but I think you get a lot further by being more open and helping others, than the other way around. That is why the forked idea of linux and such as worked so well. I would agree that I would not want a forked version of JBoss, then it becomes a little more confusing which one to go with. But if some concepts work well with JBoss, such as the use of JMX that Jonas and others are using now for their backbone, why not help? Is it the fear of the JBoss Group losing their own jobs supporting JBoss? I can't see why that would happen with the proliferation of JBoss in the market. I think another attempt at an open-source J2EE container is going to be hard to catch up to JBoss at this point, but even so, what's a little competition. I recently read an article about how "stale" MS is with thier OSs and why they can give out crappy copies of it. They have no competition on Intel machines. Sure, Linux, but not really on the desktop. The argument goes that if Apple were to bring Mac OS X to Intel hardware, MS would have a real competitor with a better OS on its platform. I suppose of MS was smart they'd consider porting Windows to linux and Mac OS X as well to have more hardware under thier OS. I can see the same argument for JBoss. JBoss is really the only solid J2EE free implementation around. I am not sure if Jonas is entirely free, but Orion and PRimatti are both very good servers for a mere $1500 per server (no per cpu charge), so dropping $1500 for production while no cost for anything else is not all that much even for small companies. However, with another open-source J2EE container in the works, I can see where the JBoss developes might face a little more competition and think "Crap, we don't want to lose customers, so lets make it better..." and really hone down on the jboss features, capabilities, performance, etc. That is why competition is good, it keeps each player in check. You don't want to slack off now, because with another free container on its way, you may lose customers to it. Another thing Jboss may face in a apache/jakarta type of free J2EE container is that Apache has a LOT of pull in the community. Sun, IBM, and others all contribute to it, so while JBoss is by far the leading J2EE container for its performace/features/compliance/price, another one may put some pressure on JBoss to keep up the pace. I'd also imagine with Apache and the likes behind it, there are possibly more developers to work on it, and one other thing comes to mind... a fresh start on a new design. JBoss has a great architecture, although personally I have been wanting to see my own concept of dynamically loadable plugins put into a J2EE container for some time. I just don't want to take on that task my self. I'd imagine some developers think "Kewl, another fresh start J2EE container, maybe this idea I had that I wasn't allowed to add to Jboss can get into this new container and will finally be usefull.." or something along the lines. Anywho, JBoss rocks, ya'll got a huge head start, and hopefully all the ugliness between JBoss/JEtty, the CDN developers and such will blow over and everybody will get along. If not, well, I'd expect some serious competition with the new free open-source container that IS allowed to be forked and so forth. Probably the anger alone will entice some of them to put in longer hours and more code. --- Juha Lindfors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 6 Aug 2003, Kevin Duffey wrote: > > > Juha, Marc, etc, > > > > I guess the question I and it seems others are > > interested in is WHY did you cut loose these guys, > and > > so suddenly? > > In this case we felt that we needed to agressively > defend our copyrights > and license. Other issues are the obvious misconduct > on the part of the > developers that lost RW and lack of trust that > naturally follows with the > former. > > -- Juha > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built > ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are > available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual > Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > JBoss-user mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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