Dear Stefan, "Der Segen der Erde" is a brilliant book and won the Nobel price because it is indeed a brilliant book. I read it myself several times. But Hamsun was a fascist and loved the germans and the nazis and the philosophy of this book is in accordance to the philosophy of the nazis, though Hamsun himself might have been a sensible person with deep artistic interests and not a primitive member of the SS. But the nazis loved the book, because it reflected their own philosophy. I never said that one shouldn´t read this book and Hamsun in general. But it is better to say clearly which philosophy the book contains and who Hamsun was. It is also better to say clearly that Jünger himself was in the 1920s and beginning 1930s a violent fascist than to evade this important ideological and political aspect of his early works. That Jünger was also a brilliant mind and that Jüngers books are worth to be read, is another question and another aspect of this author. Yours, Klaus
--- Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail.com> schrieb am Fr, 8.1.2010: Von: Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail.com> Betreff: Re: [juenger_org] Jünger-Hamsun? An: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Datum: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010, 14:00 It was quite some years since I read it, but claiming that the book expounds a Blut und Boden philosohpy I belive is going a bit too far. However, there is an mistakealbe theme of conflict between the decadent city and life in the countryside throughout the book. Hence that nazis could certainly find much of ideological use in the book, but only by inflating and vulgarizing its contents. Also, I don't belive that what you term Blut und Boden necessarily amounts to more than the recurrent primitvism of the decades before the second world war. But all in all, that's not terribly important. The book is indeed fantastic and those who are unable to read it because in it there are some prejudices of the times, well then that's their loss -- and a great one at that. Regards, /Stefan 2010/1/8 klaus gauger <klaus_gauger@ yahoo.com> Dear Stefan, I agree with you, and Hamsun won the Nobel Prize of literature for this book, though I have to make the remark that this book of Hamsun was also the favourite book of the Nazis, because Hamsun in this book develops a "Blut und Boden"-philosophy (Blood and Soil, the philosophy of the Nazis) and the book contains antisemitic remarks (the jews as a race which is not bound to their own soil). Hamsun was a great admirer of Nazi-Germany and collaborated with the Nazis during the occupation of Norway in the Second World War. After the war the norwegian state condemned him to a high fine because of the damage he had done to the norwegian state as a follower of Hitler. This fine ruined him for the rest of his life. He died in 1952 and never revoked his nationalsocialist beliefs, even more, he defended them in his writings after 1945. Yours, Klaus --- Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com> schrieb am Fr, 8.1.2010: Von: Stefan Jarl <stefj...@gmail. com> Betreff: Re: [juenger_org] Jünger-Hamsun? An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de Datum: Freitag, 8. Januar 2010, 10:54 Speaking of Hamsun, I would just like to take the opportunity to recommend his masterpiece "Growth of the Soil/Segen der Erde" to all readers of this newsgroup. It's an absolutely captivating work, full of warmth, wit and intellect and with a main character whose naive strength is a fount of true freedom, which let's him create a world in the wilderness where there used to be none. To cakk this character a "Waldgänger" might be stretching it, but it's not totally unwarranted. 2010/1/8 Gregory Whitfield <gregd...@yahoo. com> Niels, please let us know what you find out about Juenger's views on Hamsun -- I'd be very interested to know more since I consider Hamsun to be such an interesting man, and an insightful writer/ thinker. I am sure many of our fellow boarders feel the same. Greg. --- On Thu, 7/1/10, carmil...@web. de <carmil...@web. de> wrote: From: carmil...@web. de <carmil...@web. de> Subject: Re: [juenger_org] Jünger-Hamsun? To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de Date: Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 13:17 I'm trying to find out a bit 'bout the connections between EJ and Hamsun - but it seems to be an almost blank position. Jünger mentions Hamsuns "Victoria" in Strahlungen and received a copy of "Segen der Erde" from Hilde Fürstenberg, the leader of the german Hamsun-Gesellschaft in the 1960ies, but that's quite few insight. Best regards, Niels > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- -- > Von: "Gregory Whitfield" <gregd...@yahoo. com> > Gesendet: 07.01.10 14:05:27 > An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de > Betreff: [juenger_org] Jünger-Hamsun? > Great question, and being a fan of both writers, I'd love to know too. > > --- On *Thu, 7/1/10, nabo_a...@web. *de <nabo_a...@web. de> wrote: > > From: nabo_a...@web. de <nabo_a...@web. de> > Subject: Re: [juenger_org] twittering > To: juenger_org@yahoogroups.de > Date: Thursday, 7 January, 2010, 12:58 > > Where did Jünger write about Hamsun: "Ein Mann wie Hamsun wird auch > in seinen Irrtümern wertvoller bleiben als M. in seinen Wahrheiten."? > Does anyone know about the relationship Jünger-Hamsun? > > Best wishes, > > Nabo > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- -- > > Von: "Joel Dietz" <jdi...@gmail. com> > > Gesendet: 07.01.10 09:39:59 > > An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de > > Betreff: Re: [juenger_org] twittering > > > Sent my first #ernstjuenger tweet just now. > > > > Jd > > > > joeldietz.com | twitter.com/ jdietz | twitter.com/ fractastical (tech) > > > > 2010/1/6 Tobias Wimbauer <wimba...@web. de> > > Lieber John, > > > > das würde mit #ernstjünger nicht funktionieren, weil Hashtags keine > > Umlaute haben dürfen. Es würde sich aber #ernstjuenger anbieten. > > > > Jünger gibts auf Twitter übrigens auch: http://twitter. com/Ernst_ > > Juenger > > > > Herzl. Grüsse > > Tobias > > https://twitter. com/wimbauer > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht--- -- > > Von: "John King" <jejk...@yahoo. de> > > Gesendet: 06.01.10 18:39:25 > > An: juenger_org@ yahoogroups. de > > Betreff: [juenger_org] twittering > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I notice that a few of us use Twitter for assorted things. > > > > I was thinking it might be a good idea to use #ernstjünger to tag > > tweets relating to Ernst Jünger... > > > > Regards, > > > > jk > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! 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