Good one Larry! That seems like a perfect solution...
Larry Becker wrote:
> OK, it turns out there is a way to implement BasicFeatue.isModified()
> with a simple boolean. All you need to do is add a check for null as in:
>
> public void setAttribute(int attributeIndex, Object newAttribute) {
> if (attributes[attributeIndex] != null) {
> modified = true;
> }
> attributes[attributeIndex] = newAttribute;
> }
>
> This prevents the initial loading of values (from a shapefile or
> whatever) from setting the modified flag.
>
> Thanks to all who persisted in doubting that the array was necessary.
> You instincts were good.
>
> regards,
> Larry
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Sunburned Surveyor
> <sunburned.surve...@gmail.com <mailto:sunburned.surve...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
> I wanted to get back to you yesterday, and I got bery busy at work. I
> don't personally have a problem with you commiting your changes to the
> BasicFeature class. We can start testing the change in our nightly
> build, and will be able to get an idea on how serious the memory
> impact is. In the meantime, I might tinker with some alternate
> implementations.
>
> If none of the other programmers have a serious objection at this
> point, we could commit the change.
>
> It's not like we can't undo the change if it has serious impacts on
> memory usage.
>
> The Sunburned Surveyor
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Larry Becker
> <becker.la...@gmail.com <mailto:becker.la...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > Using a scheme with the container sound good, but I can't find an
> > appropriate listener. Layer#setFeatureCollection has
> featuresAdded and
> > featuresRemoved. Layer#getLayerListener() has the void
> featuresChanged()
> > method which does setFeatureCollectionModified(true), but this
> doesn't help
> > with tracking individual changes to features.
> >
> > If we added the appropriate listeners to BasicFeature, how would
> this change
> > the state data that needs to be stored? Wouldn't it essentially
> be the same
> > data?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Martin Davis
> <mbda...@refractions.net <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I see your point, although newly-created BasicFeatures aren't
> really an
> >> issue - they are always dirty by definition. It's just
> features which
> >> have had their attributes modified which are the problem.
> >>
> >> I'm not totally crazy about this MutableBasicFeature/BasicFeature
> >> dichotomy, but it might be workable. You would have to flip
> BFs to MBFs
> >> when they were written out, since they would then become clean
> again.
> >>
> >> I think I'd prefer a scheme where the container kept track of which
> >> features have been modified, and leave features as simple value
> >> objects. I believe this is what GeoTools does. Can anyone
> confirm that
> >> before I go digging through their codebase?
> >>
> >> Larry Becker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps you could extend BasicFeature to be a
> MutableBasicFeature,
> >> > and
> >> > this is the concrete class that would be used by Writeable
> >> > DataStores.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > This is a good idea, but tough to implement. A search for "new
> >> > BasicFeature" found 80 matches in the project. The fact is
> that most
> >> > tools create BasicFeatures. Now perhaps, if we are clever,
> we can use
> >> > that to our advantage. Hmm...
> >> >
> >> > Larry
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Martin Davis
> <mbda...@refractions.net <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps you could extend BasicFeature to be a
> MutableBasicFeature,
> >> > and
> >> > this is the concrete class that would be used by Writeable
> >> > DataStores.
> >> > Only MutableBasicFeature would incur the overhead of tracking
> >> > changes.
> >> > Whether the DataStore is writeable could be determined
> dynamically
> >> > as
> >> > well (ie by user input when layer is created). There are
> a lot of
> >> > use
> >> > cases where the writable aspect isn't needed.
> >> >
> >> > If it was me, I would still prefer the simpler single boolean
> >> > dirty flag
> >> > (although I would probably opt for still implementing
> >> > MutableBasicFeature, in case there was more behaviour
> that needed
> >> > to be
> >> > added down the road.)
> >> >
> >> > If I get a chance I'll try and see what GeoTools does
> here - they
> >> > must
> >> > have this same problem.
> >> >
> >> > Larry Becker wrote:
> >> > > I think the other developers need to understand that
> the cost of
> >> > > supporting per-feature modified status will be a
> per-feature cost
> >> > of
> >> > > (size of int) * number of attributes. I'm not sure I
> made that
> >> > > clear. Currently the memory cost is for all features
> on all
> >> > layers.
> >> > > Perhaps there is needed a way to opt-in to this cost and
> >> > functionality
> >> > > at layer creation time. Hmm...
> >> > >
> >> > > Larry
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Martin Davis
> >> > <mbda...@refractions.net <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > I guess the memory issue might be moot for
> DataStore-based
> >> > datasets
> >> > > anyway, since the whole point is to only keep in
> memory what
> >> > is
> >> > > currently displayed on the screen.
> >> > >
> >> > > But simpler is always better! Alarm bells start
> ringing for
> >> > me when I
> >> > > see counts being used - the semantics seems like
> they must
> >> > be more
> >> > > complicated than a simple flag.
> >> > >
> >> > > Larry Becker wrote:
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > > I agree that a mechanism to reset the modified
> status is
> >> > needed,
> >> > > > especially after the changes to the layer have been
> >> > flushed to the
> >> > > > database. I'll add this to BasicFeature.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Your comment about carrying around state data
> after it is
> >> > needed is
> >> > > > reasonable. The code could check for modified
> on-the-fly
> >> > while
> >> > > it is
> >> > > > incrementing the attribute mod count and if it is
> greater
> >> > than one,
> >> > > > set a boolean instead and dispose of the array of
> ints.
> >> > You would
> >> > > > lose the ability to determine individual
> attribute mods
> >> > (not sure if
> >> > > > it is needed), however you would only save memory in
> >> > modified
> >> > > records
> >> > > > which wouldn't usually be very much.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I was hoping someone would come up with a clever
> hack that
> >> > wouldn't
> >> > > > require the int array. All of the optimizations
> that I have
> >> > > > considered break in one case or another.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > BTW, if you really want to save memory on
> attribute storage,
> >> > I
> >> > > have a
> >> > > > number of questionable schemes that load
> attributes on an
> >> > as-needed
> >> > > > basis. :-) SkyJUMP even has an optimization
> were layers
> >> > that
> >> > > aren't
> >> > > > visible are not loaded into memory until you make
> them
> >> > visible,
> >> > > > although it doesn't go as far as removing them
> when you
> >> > make them
> >> > > > invisible. Of course the most famous attribute
> >> > memory-saving scheme
> >> > > > is Michael's permgen attribute string scheme for
> dbf files.
> >> > > That one
> >> > > > saves a ton of memory on typically redundant
> data, until
> >> > you run out
> >> > > > of permgen memory.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Larry
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Martin Davis
> >> > > <mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>
> >> > > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > re Mutating Geometry in-place - JTS
> discourages this,
> >> > but
> >> > > does not
> >> > > > prevent it. Sometimes people do this when
> they are
> >> > transforming
> >> > > > coordinates (eg. translation or affine
> transform)..
> >> > It's
> >> > > quite
> >> > > > possible that all the JUMP code is clean,
> however. In
> >> > any
> >> > > case, this
> >> > > > will only be an issue if that particular
> function is
> >> > used.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > re tracking modifications - how about
> providing a method
> >> > > that lets you
> >> > > > clear the modified flag? Then the feature can be
> >> > constructed as
> >> > > > necessary and then marked as clean.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > It seems heavyweight to carry around a set of
> data
> >> > which is only
> >> > > > really
> >> > > > of use during the construction phase of a
> Feature. To
> >> > avoid
> >> > > this, I'd
> >> > > > even suggest constructing a Feature as
> needed, then
> >> > creating
> >> > > a new
> >> > > > Feature from it via a constructor which sets the
> >> > modified flag
> >> > > > appropriately. Anything to avoid requiring more
> >> > storage.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > How does GeoTools handle this?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Larry Becker wrote:
> >> > > > > The tricky thing about modifications is not
> to find a
> >> > > record is
> >> > > > > modified just because you set the initial
> value. It
> >> > is only
> >> > > > modified
> >> > > > > if you set it more than once, otherwise all
> records
> >> > would
> >> > > be set as
> >> > > > > modified as soon as they are loaded.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The next trick is to consider that you call
> >> > setAttribute
> >> > > multiple
> >> > > > > times with different attribute indexes, so
> it is
> >> > necessary
> >> > > to track
> >> > > > > the changes to each one separately.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Mutating Geometries in place is a concern.
> I have
> >> > never
> >> > > seen code
> >> > > > > that does this, and certainly none of the
> edit tools
> >> > or
> >> > > any plugins
> >> > > > > that use transactions do this, but it may be
> >> > possible. Could
> >> > > > you just
> >> > > > > modify the Coordinate.x and y values? I'll
> try to
> >> > construct a
> >> > > > > Beanshell test for this, but I doubt that
> this is a
> >> > > serious concern.
> >> > > > > All of the tools and plugins that I have
> tried so
> >> > far play by
> >> > > > the rules.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Larry
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Martin Davis
> >> > > > <mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>
> >> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>>
> >> > > > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>
> >> > > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>
> >> > <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net
> <mailto:mbda...@refractions.net>>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Larry, why do you use an int rather than a
> >> > boolean to flag
> >> > > > changed
> >> > > > > attributes?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > BTW, In order to track changes to Geometry
> >> > attributes
> >> > > > correctly, the
> >> > > > > JUMP codebase needs to be scrutinized
> to make
> >> > sure it
> >> > > isn't
> >> > > > mutating
> >> > > > > Geometries "in place".
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Larry Becker wrote:
> >> > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > As I mentioned in the other thread,
> before
> >> > the problem
> >> > > > of partial
> >> > > > > > database updates can be solved, we
> must first
> >> > be able to
> >> > > > > determine if
> >> > > > > > a Feature has been modified. This is not
> >> > currently
> >> > > > possible in
> >> > > > > all of
> >> > > > > > the JUMP variants that I am familiar
> with,
> >> > although
> >> > > Kosmo
> >> > > > may have
> >> > > > > > implemented it.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The simplest way of implementing it
> that I can
> >> > see is to
> >> > > > modify
> >> > > > > > BasicFeature to include:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > private int[] attributeModCount;
> //this is a
> >> > parallel
> >> > > > array to
> >> > > > > > Object[] attributes
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Then it would be necessary to
> allocate the
> >> > > > attributeModCount array
> >> > > > > > when setAttributes(Object[]
> attributes) is
> >> > called.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > In addition each time setAttribute(int
> >> > > attributeIndex, Object
> >> > > > > > newAttribute) is called, add the line
> of code:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > attributeModCount[attributeIndex]++
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > With these modifications we could
> then define:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > public boolean isFeatureModified() {
> >> > > > > > for (int i=0;
> i<attributeModCount.length;
> >> > i++) {
> >> > > > > > if (attributeModCount[i] > 1)
> //modified
> >> > is
> >> > > defined as
> >> > > > > setting
> >> > > > > > an attribute more than once
> >> > > > > > return true;
> >> > > > > > }
> >> > > > > > return false;
> >> > > > > > }
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Would this work and does this seem like
> >> > something we
> >> > > should
> >> > > > > consider?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > regards,
> >> > > > > > Larry
> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
>
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> >> > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30
> Day Trial
> >> > > > Check out the new simplified licensign option
> that
> >> > enables
> >> > > unlimited
> >> > > > royalty-free distribution of the report
> engine for
> >> > > externally
> >> > > > facing
> >> > > > server and web deployment.
> >> > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > > > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>
> >> > > >
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>>
> >> > > >
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day
> Trial
> >> > > > Check out the new simplified licensign option
> that enables
> >> > unlimited
> >> > > > royalty-free distribution of the report
> engine for
> >> > > externally facing
> >> > > > server and web deployment.
> >> > > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > >
> >> > > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > > > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>
> >> > > >
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Martin Davis
> >> > > Senior Technical Architect
> >> > > Refractions Research, Inc.
> >> > > (250) 383-3022
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> >> > > Check out the new simplified licensign option that
> enables
> >> > unlimited
> >> > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> >> > externally
> >> > > facing
> >> > > server and web deployment.
> >> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>>
> >> > >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> >> > > Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables
> >> > unlimited
> >> > > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> >> > externally facing
> >> > > server and web deployment.
> >> > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > _______________________________________________
> >> > > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Martin Davis
> >> > Senior Technical Architect
> >> > Refractions Research, Inc.
> >> > (250) 383-3022
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> >> > Check out the new simplified licensign option that
> enables unlimited
> >> > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> externally
> >> > facing
> >> > server and web deployment.
> >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>>
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> >> > Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables
> unlimited
> >> > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> externally facing
> >> > server and web deployment.
> >> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Davis
> >> Senior Technical Architect
> >> Refractions Research, Inc.
> >> (250) 383-3022
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> >> Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables
> unlimited
> >> royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> externally facing
> >> server and web deployment.
> >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> >> Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://amusingprogrammer.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Crystal Reports - New Free Runtime and 30 Day Trial
> > Check out the new simplified licensign option that enables unlimited
> > royalty-free distribution of the report engine for
> externally facing
> > server and web deployment.
> > http://p.sf.net/sfu/businessobjects
> > _______________________________________________
> > Jump-pilot-devel mailing list
> > Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> <mailto:Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
> >
> >
>
>
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