Wow, thank you Paula! I have rediscovered the Address field! I had completely
forgotten about it as I only ever used it a few times, a number of years ago,
but did not find it useful for my purposes. I did not even realise Address
could be displayed in book reports or Family Group Records. As you suggested, I
played around with it and think I can use it to meet my needs- to comment on
locations, rather than adding locations in the Address field. It does not
display in the Family View but I think I can live with that.
I use another database for addresses of living cousins, and it is very rare to
get an address of ancestors from hamlets or villages in Europe. Occasionally I
get something like “house 18”. Therefore the Address field is freely available
for other uses.
I agree with Paula- software such as Legacy is to be used however one wants or
needs. Legacy is very flexible but all programs have limitations so users may
need to “think outside the box”.
John
From: Paula Ryburn
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2014 5:24 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family
Group Records ?
I know there are those on this list who will shoot down this idea quickly and
vehemently, but...
Have you thought of using the Address field?
I used to do this to indicate "probably" or add "on the farm"... that was
awhile ago, so my memory is fuzzy.
I have seen many, many threads here discussing the use of "locations" and
"addresses" so I won't go into details (you can search the archives) & don't
need to hear both sides again. ;)
I'm not sure it would work for John's Poland/Russia examples, but maybe for
Ron's Salt Lake City examples? Especially if there is a known city used in
most cases & you just have a few cases of "near" to indicate...?
You would need to try it on a field or two & run some reports to see if you
like the format.
This approach would probably not work for someone who uses the Address table
for addresses. ;) ...or maybe it would?
Legacy is flexible; I'm just offering up another table/place to be flexible.
--Paula
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From: "johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au" <johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au>
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family
Group Records ?
Hi Ron,
I have been doing something similar to you but I am trying to minimise the
number variations of the same location in the Master Location List e.g.
Sitaniec, Zamość, Crown Province of Galicia, Habsburg Empire
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Duchy of Warsaw
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')
Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland
of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Kingdom of Poland ('Russian Poland')
of Sitaniec, Zamość, Lublin, Republic of Poland
I am trying to make my family history story very readable and presented
elegantly without sacrificing accuracy or details, so I am conscious that my
Location Index may be confusing for readers, especially with modifiers.
I think what I would need is another field, where you add Individuals’
Information to the Family View (and Family Group Reports). This could be an
optional drop down field (probably placed below “Christened”) and where you
could add your own element e.g. “Earliest Known Residence” or whatever
individual Legacy users may want. I realize such information could be added as
an Event or in notes, but it would much more convenient for me while
researching, or for readers of my family history, to immediately see accurate
details about each person without having to dig for it.
John
From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:33 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family
Group Records ?
John,
If you add the modifiers to the Master Location List and link your individual
records to those modified locations, they should show in the reports and
elsewhere. Look at the examples I gave of Salt Lake City. Those are actual
entries in my Master Locations List.
Ron Taylor
On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:30 AM, "johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au"
<johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
It seems that adding prepositions or modifiers at the end of locations and
adding them as new entries to the Master Location List is the best I can do for
my database purposes, at least for now. I eventually want to include a number
of Family Group Records as ‘Family Story’ chapters in a book. I will have to
convert them to a word document, and then add the prepositions or modifiers
before publishing it.
From: Ron Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:22 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Prepositions for locations- Family View and Family
Group Records ?
There is a field in the tblLR (Master Locations Table) called Preposition which
can be set and used in reports as you described. There is also a file
C:\...Documents\Legacy Family Tree\_AppData\Misc\Preposition_English.lst which
is used by the Master Locations List to sort locations. It does it by removing
the words in that file from the location, putting it on the end of the location
name, then sorting the list so that all locations that are the same will
display next to each other and the preposition tacked onto the end. That is
helpful. Some of the entries in that list are not actually prepositions. In
fact, some of the entries are multiple words. I think a better term for them
would be location modifiers instead of prepositions.
What would be great but would require some extensive re-writing would be to
have an actual database table of location modifiers. That table could come
into play as a pull down list (similar to Child Status, Event Type, Surname
List, etc.) where you can select the location modifier to be applied to a
specific location field. That would mean that a location modifier key field be
inserted into every table where a link to the tblLR is used. The preposition
field that is in tblLR would only be used for reports when the location
modifier is blank. The main effect that a location modifier table would have
is eliminating multiple instances of the same location name as the current
method allows. Here is an example of a location in the current Master Location
List that has multiple entries because of prepositions:
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, from
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, near
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, of>
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah, probably
Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah>
The above display is achieved by checking the two boxes at the bottom of Sort
Location List called "Remove common prepositions from locations" and "Remove
leading bracket from <bracketed> locations" and then executing the sort.
Notice that the words found in the text file Preposition_English.lst were
re-positioned to the end of the location before the sort. Likewise, the
bracketed locations had the leading bracket removed before the sort but the
trailing bracket was retained so it would display. In either case, you can
click "Edit" to see the actual long or short location with the preposition
words where they really are stored in the field.
Also, note that I added "probably" to the Preposition_English.lst file (as well
as a few other words) so that it would treated like other prepositions.
If there was only one instance of Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, Utah in the Master
Locations Table, as well as all other locations, then it would be much easier
to manage and maintain. The only thing that would be needed then is a time
sensitive lookup for location. Or even better, a conversion of any current
location to its time sensitive name.
Ron Taylor
On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 1:32 AM, "johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au"
<johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
Sometimes I know where ancestors lived but uncertain if they were born in that
place. There is an option which allows you to change the location preposition
from ‘in’ to something else but it only works for the book reports from the
publishing centre. I could mention in the narrative that a person’s place of
birth is not certain, but I would like to request suggestions from other Legacy
users for a way use a preposition or some other way to easily show that a
person was from or lived in a location, which was not necessarily their place
of birth. I would like this for the Family View and Family Group Records.
Do others find this a problem or am I too neurotic about accuracy or details?
John
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