Jukka,

Jukka Rahkonen wrote:
And of course we are using the same rules for taking and giving, or? Same
amounts of data we consider non-copyrightable and keep therefore in the database
can be taken out from the new ODbl-OSM database as if they were PD? And even
store masses of separate extracts into one database because that's what we would
do ourselves?

I'm not sure I quite understand.

Our new license does have a provision that allows using non-substantial extracts without regard to the license. This can be viewed as similar to what I described above, although there is a big difference. If one million users each make a non-copyrightable contribution to OSM under CC-BY-SA then I can take those one million contributions and use them in any way I want because if they are not copyrightable then CC-BY-SA doesn't have any effect. However if I put those same one million contributions into a database protected by ODbL, then they are likely to form a "substantial" extract and thus they cannot be extracted outside of ODbL terms. (On the other hand, it is well possible that there is an individual contribution which is copyrightable but still doesn't form a "substantial" extract.)

ODbL's concept "if you take a lot of insubstantial extracts and combine them then they again form a substantial extract" does not apply to copyright of individual contributions made under CC-BY-SA - if you take lots of non-copyrighted bits submitted by various users and combine them then they don't suddenly become copyrighted - or maybe they do, but then it's your copyright and not that of the original contributors (think of tearing a magazine to shreds and then gluing together a nice picture from the coloured pieces of paper).

Bye
Frederik

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