I think the License Working Group would echo exactly what Jonathan says.
While it does not solve the problem of being able to map where there are
no mappers, may I also seize the opportunity to promote John McKerrell's
excellent OpenStreetView? It is a great under-exploited tool!
http://openstreetview.org/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openstreetview
Single photo and bulk upload works well. I am slowly adding my
collection of 40,000+ OSM survey photos in the hope that other mappers
will be able squeeze out even more map detail. You can choose from a
variety of licenses for the actual photo, but the photo metadata is CC0.
Mike
On 07/04/2014 17:16, jonathan wrote:
This is obviously a legal grey area and until it ends up in court I
suspect it will remain a grey area.
However, I feel what IS black and white is that if we were to
"officially" use Google StreetView or any non-open source to build our
data then we should expect a lawsuit from Google or any other owner of
said service/medium/technology. Also, we should remember that their
legal budget will be much bigger than ours.
In my opinion, we can only have one stance and that is such services
are not available for us to use as a source for our database.
We should, however, approach Google et al and ask them if they
prohibit such use, I'm sure they'll say that we can't use it, but at
least we'll know.
To use any such service without express permission risks EVERYTHING,
we would be leaving a door open for Google et al to file against us in
the future and OSM could just descend into a legal black hole. Google
would love that!
We MUST be whiter than white. The Open in OpenStreetMap is a
responsibility as well as a right and to protect that right we must
act responsibly.
Jonathan
http://bigfatfrog67.me
On 05/04/2014 16:50, Paulo Carvalho wrote:
Dear fellow mappers,
Let me present myself to you. I'm a OSM mapper from the Brazil
community and a question rose there which caused a split in the group
regarding Google Street View to perform "virtual surveys", such as
taking notes of house numbers and plotting them in the maps.
After reading
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#2a._Can_I_trace_data_from_Google_Maps.2FNokia_Maps.2F....3F
, I was pondering about the impossibility of copyright and licenses
apply to facts and reality (not regarding philosophical aspects).
Google Street View photos depict reality or facts, thus I could
use them to observe reality and derive interpretations which would be
genuine creative work. It would be illegal to use the images in
Mapillary, for instance, but the facts depicted by the images are not
property of Google.
Your thoughts, please
Paulo Carvalho
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