I do have to wonder why they've twice mentioned embargoes countries they couldn't sell to legally anyway.
Is there something I'm missing about ~selling~ dissidents solutions in Iran and NK? US Government have an exception for that? -Ali On Feb 7, 2013 4:38 PM, "Nadim Kobeissi" <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: > “I tell them go ahead and use Skype — I don’t even want to talk to you. > This is for serious people interested in serious cryptography,” Zimmermann > said. “We are not Facebook. We are the opposite of Facebook.” > > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/05/security-pioneer-creates-service-to-encrypt-phone-calls-and-text-messages/ > > > NK > > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: > >> The latest "unbreakable even by a supercomputer" article includes >> artistic, black and white photographs of Phil Zimmermann and John Callas: >> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2274597/How-foil-eavesdroppers-The-smartphone-encryption-app-promises-make-communications-private-again.html#axzz2KDR1XKE6 >> >> >> NK >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <a...@packetknife.com>wrote: >> >>> And even the "proponents" already have. Here, elsewhere, .. Nobody is >>> happy at technically ignorant gee-whiz journalism. >>> >>> The discussion has been, a few times now, how we tend to speak out about >>> it. And what busses people on the same side seem willing to throw each >>> other under. Gods know why. -Ali >>> On Feb 7, 2013 3:46 PM, "Jillian C. York" <jilliancy...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not going to get into the politics or pettiness of this because >>>> frankly, I don't care. >>>> >>>> But this >>>> headline<http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market>and >>>> the accompanying claims of unbreakability are so incredibly egregious >>>> that I would expect *every single person on this list* to speak out >>>> against those (claims, that is), regardless of their feelings on the actual >>>> product. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Yosem Companys >>>> <compa...@stanford.edu>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Just as a reminder, please let's all try to refrain from engaging in >>>>> any personal attacks. We're all build and use liberationtech to make a >>>>> difference in various ways, and we're bound to have disagreements. But >>>>> let's not forget that we're all working toward the same broad goal of >>>>> making people's lives better. Otherwise, we would likely not be on this >>>>> list. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> YC >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ali-Reza Anghaie <a...@packetknife.com >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Douglas, I'm not sure many people are disagreeing with the end-goals >>>>>> and even Zimmerman acknolwedges the window for verifiable source proof is >>>>>> closing fast (longer than many would have liked as-is). >>>>>> >>>>>> My comments to Nadim are coming from a tact perspective - if the goal >>>>>> is to gain wider adoption and recognition for all the community work, >>>>>> good >>>>>> projects, verified projects, etc. etc. then it helps when you play in the >>>>>> sanboxes occupied by more than the hackers and programmers making it >>>>>> happen. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not uncommon to have people, who need solutions the most, to be >>>>>> afraid of projects because of the "main name" associated with them after >>>>>> some cursory rant reading. Nadim = Cryptocat, Jacob = TOR, Theo = >>>>>> OpenBSD, >>>>>> etc. etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's easy to tell everyone else to pound sand or to roll all activist >>>>>> causes into one for the collective libtech "us" - it's not so each when >>>>>> we >>>>>> take it elsewhere. Just trying to see how we can promote things that look >>>>>> less like personal grips and trolls - and more like building something >>>>>> useful. -Ali >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Douglas Lucas <d...@riseup.net>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can Silent Circle promoters explain why Zimmerman is excused from >>>>>>> Kerckhoffs's principle? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it because something unverifiable is allegedly better than >>>>>>> nothing? >>>>>>> Even if we had divine knowledge to tell us Silent Circle is secure, >>>>>>> isn't it an overriding problem to encourage lock-in of closed source >>>>>>> being acceptable for something as common as text-messaging? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is good to have a scrappy talented young person such as Nadim >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> pesky to older, accepted people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 02/07/2013 09:45 AM, Julien Rabier wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello all, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I'm no sec expert but to me, it's so obvious that Nadim is right >>>>>>> on this. >>>>>>> > Perhaps the form is not perfect, but if he's the only one fighting >>>>>>> for our >>>>>>> > own sanity here, as he says, that's no surprise. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We should all be asking Silent Circle to commit to their statement >>>>>>> and show >>>>>>> > us the source code of their so-called unbreakable encryption tools. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Again, I'm no sec expert and I won't be the guy who will do the >>>>>>> hard task of >>>>>>> > auditing and reviewing this code. But as a user, as a citizen and >>>>>>> perhaps an >>>>>>> > activist, I want the source code of such tools to be reviewed >>>>>>> widely and >>>>>>> > publicly before using and promoting it. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > My 2 euro cents, >>>>>>> > Julien >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Le 07 févr. - 10:31, Nadim Kobeissi a écrit : >>>>>>> >> Small follow-up: >>>>>>> >> Maybe it's true I look like my goal here is just to foam at the >>>>>>> mouth at >>>>>>> >> Silent Circle. Maybe it looks like I'm just here to annoy Chris, >>>>>>> and I'm >>>>>>> >> truly sorry. These are not my goals, even if my method seems >>>>>>> forced. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I've tried writing multiple blog posts about Silent Circle, >>>>>>> contacting >>>>>>> >> Silent Circle, asking journalists to *please* mention the >>>>>>> importance of >>>>>>> >> free, open source in cryptography, and so on. All of this has >>>>>>> failed. It >>>>>>> >> has simply become clear to me that Silent Circle enjoys a double >>>>>>> standard >>>>>>> >> because of the reputation of those behind it. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Silent Circle may be developed by Gods, but this is just quite >>>>>>> plainly >>>>>>> >> unfair. If someone repeatedly claims, towards activists, to have >>>>>>> developed >>>>>>> >> "unbreakable encryption", markets it closed-source for money, and >>>>>>> receives >>>>>>> >> nothing but nods of recognition and applause from the press and >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> >> from *security >>>>>>> >> experts* (?!) then something is seriously wrong! No one should be >>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>> >> to commit these wrongs, not even Silent Circle. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> I feel like I'm fighting for our own sanity here. Look at what >>>>>>> you're >>>>>>> >> allowing to happen! >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> NK >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Christopher Soghoian < >>>>>>> ch...@soghoian.net>wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> It is clear that you seem to have developed a >>>>>>> foaming-in-the-mouth, >>>>>>> >>>> irrational hate of Silent Circle. As such, anyone who fails to >>>>>>> denounce >>>>>>> >>>> Phil Zimmermann as the great Satan is, in your eyes, some kind >>>>>>> of corrupt >>>>>>> >>>> shill. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Chris, >>>>>>> >>> You have repeatedly stood up asking VoIP software to be more >>>>>>> transparent >>>>>>> >>> about their encryption. You have repeatedly stood up when the >>>>>>> media >>>>>>> >>> overblew coverage into hype. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> However, Silent Circle remains *the only case* where you remain >>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>> >>> regularly in articles on the company, where you make a point to >>>>>>> completely >>>>>>> >>> ignore that they are posting everywhere on their social media >>>>>>> that they are >>>>>>> >>> developing "unbreakable encryption", and marketing it, >>>>>>> closed-source, >>>>>>> >>> towardsactivists. When I confront you about this, you publicly >>>>>>> accuse me of >>>>>>> >>> "soliciting a hit piece" (!!) against Silent Circle. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> That is what I have a problem with: A huge, clear, obvious >>>>>>> double standard >>>>>>> >>> strictly made available for Silent Circle. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> I proudly stand by every single statement quoted in that Verge >>>>>>> story. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> Chris Soghoian gives Silent Circle's unbreakable encryption an >>>>>>> entire >>>>>>> >>>>> article's worth of lip service here, it must be really >>>>>>> unbreakable: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/6/3950664/phil-zimmermann-wants-to-save-you-from-your-phone >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> NK >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Brian Conley < >>>>>>> bri...@smallworldnews.tv>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I heard they have a super secret crypto clubhouse in the >>>>>>> belly of an >>>>>>> >>>>>> extinct volcano. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Other rumors suggest they built their lab in the liberated >>>>>>> tunnels >>>>>>> >>>>>> beneath bin ladens secret lair in Pakistan... >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2013, at 19:42, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Actual headline. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/147714-cryptography-super-group-creates-unbreakable-encryption-designed-for-mass-market >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> NK >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> -- >>>>>>> >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 >>>> site: jilliancyork.com <http://jilliancyork.com/>* | * >>>> twitter: @jilliancyork* * >>>> >>>> "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want >>>> the seemingly impossible to become a reality" - *Vaclav Havel* >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >>> >> >> > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >
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