I am not sure if the blow by blow news coverage is of interest to this list, but I thought people might want another piece of info about Snowden. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hawaii-real-estate-agent-snowden-left-may-1
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Matt Johnson <railm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Raven, your analysis is interesting. > > I wonder why the Chinese would do anything to help him? I cannot see > how the publicity would work to the PRC's advantage. I am sure they > would work with him if he wanted to sell them docs, but that does not > seem to be his game. > > Of course you are right, he does not have any safe choices now. > > -- > Matt Johnson > > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Nadim Kobeissi <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: >> >> On 2013-06-09, at 8:40 PM, Raven Jiang CX <j...@stanford.edu> wrote: >> >>> He did work in the intelligence community so maybe he has a better idea >>> than us. My guess is that asylum in Iceland is ideal if everything worked >>> out, but he doesn't think it is strong enough to resist U.S. pressure. >>> >>> Hong Kong is stable and modern, so he is less likely to be killed or >>> kidnapped by local criminals on CIA payroll, and at the same time the >>> Chinese government is less likely to cooperate with the U.S. than most >>> other stable governments around the world. >>> >>> It's definitely a risky choice, but it's not like there is really any safe >>> ones. I think the gamble boils down to whether China sees more value in >>> trading him off for some other diplomatic concession or keep him safe as a >>> constant reminder of U.S. hypocrisy. >> >> Very intelligent analysis there as to why he picked Hong Kong. >> >> NK >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 June 2013 17:17, Matt Johnson <railm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Snowden says he wants asylum in Iceland. Why not go there directly? >>> >>> Going to Hong Kong makes him vulnerable to accusations of working for the >>> PRC. >>> >>> None of that makes sense to me, but what do I know. I will watch, and learn. >>> >>> -- >>> Matt >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Raven Jiang CX <j...@stanford.edu> wrote: >>> > There is a strong resistance against Chinese strong-arming in Hong Kong, >>> > plus I am not sure that it is actually in the interest of the Chinese >>> > government to help the US do anything about this. I think you can make a >>> > case for why it's a better choice, though it is definitely debatable. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 9 June 2013 15:10, Sheila Parks <sheilaruthpa...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I agree with what you say about Hong Kong >>> >> >>> >> He does say he would like to end up in Iceland >>> >> >>> >> Wonder why he did not go there in the first place >>> >> >>> >> Such an immensely brave and honest person >>> >> >>> >> Sheila >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> At 06:04 PM 6/9/2013, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 06/09/2013 04:43 PM, Matt Johnson wrote: >>> >>> > I have to say going to Hong Kong for free speech and safety seems like >>> >>> > a very odd choice to me. What was he thinking? >>> >>> >>> >>> Actually, and I think this is pointed out in either the video or an >>> >>> article somewhere, Hong Kong doesn't generally suffer the speech >>> >>> restrictions mainland China does. 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