Linux-Advocacy Digest #480, Volume #32 Mon, 26 Feb 01 00:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: why open source software is better (John Hasler)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Why Linux Is Giving Microsoft a Migraine (Terry Porter)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Amphetamine Bob)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Ed Allen)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Ed Allen)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Ed Allen)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Craig Kelley)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Amphetamine Bob)
Re: RTFM at M$ (Craig Kelley)
Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.) (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: RTFM at M$ (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Amphetamine Bob)
Re: RTFM at M$ (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Something Seemingly Simple. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: why open source software is better (Chris Morgan)
Re: Mircosoft Tax (Tim Hanson)
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:47:50 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Could it be that M$ makes mice and keyboards ?
> >
> > It's contracted out. They merely slap their logo on them.
>
> You keep claiming this, but have so far refused to provide any proof that
> this is the case.
>
> You seem to think that just saying it makes it true.
Where is the Microsoft manufacturing facility?
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:50:13 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Hey, Erik! Go get 'em! They're wrong, we know, because PageMaker is
> still expensive, and mice and keyboards haven't reduced in price....
RageMaker is still around!? Wow!
Haven't seen a trace myself!
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 02:47:19 GMT
George writes:
> So, what open source software have you written?
Pppconfig, gpppon, a small part of gnucash, patches for a few other
things. You?
> Personally, I am in favor of open source BMWs.
So write one.
> Too bad, BMW is not.
Microsoft is not in favor of open source operating systems. We have
several, though.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 03:52:33 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:13:29 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >Brent Pathakis wrote:
>
> >"PCs are becoming obsolete, you say? Wrong.
> >They're still selling in huge numbers, because
> >they're enormously useful devices whose
> >utility keeps expanding. The only component
> >in the average PC that hasn't come down
> >sharply in price is -- you guessed it --
> >the operating system.
>
> Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
> become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
Because Crimosoft is selling millions of copies, many more
than before, when it had competition, and fewer people
were using PCs with Windozzzzzzzzzz?
Actually, I pointed out that Crimosoft software prices
have INCREASED.
Chris "Coprolalics Anonymous" Ahlstrom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is Giving Microsoft a Migraine
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 26 Feb 2001 03:50:58 GMT
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:46:24 +1300,
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Not only that, but, If I wanted to put Linux on a server, I can slim it down
>so that it only address's the issues I want addressed, unlike Windows which
>is large, bloated and memory hogging, and whats worse you can't disable the
>GUI or many of the other memory intensive aspects, so that it can run on low
>end servers. The day Windows 2000 Pro becomes more UNIX like, in that it
>becomes more modular, I would be a very happy lad, but until then, I would
>not touch it with a fourty foot pole.
How's this for Linux versatility!
Recently I d/l and configured a single floppy router/ipmasq/firewall, named
"Freesco". This Linux (2.0.38) based package fits on one 1.44 floppy disk
and runs any pc from a 386 upwards with only 8 meg of ram.
Of course theres no GUI, no dancing paperclip, and no surround 3d sound, just
a terminal screen, and remote telnet facility. However with the addition of
a hard drive or more ram, you can have a HTTP server (private or public), and
a nifty web page config screen. It does seem however that a wise oracle instead
of a dumb wizzard is supplied with Freesco, read on to find out why.
All from a single 1.44Meg floppy!
To make matters even more interesting, I set it up yesterday in a home that
was having regular modem drop outs, and Freesco advised " tx timeout, are you
having line quality troubles" ?
I pulled the telephone plug out and dismantled it, finding corrosion on the
terminals and inside the wire!
I replaced the entire phone extension cable and the system hasn't dropped out
since.
>
>Matthew Gardiner
>
>"Bob Tennent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> According to a recent study by computer consultancy
>> Enterprise Management Associates, only 26% of large corporate
>> info-tech departments have made the switch to Windows 2000. An
>> additional 55% planned to do so in the next six months. But if it's
>> taking existing NT users that long to adopt the new operating system,
>> then something must be stalling them.
>> That would be Linux.
Terry
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From: Amphetamine Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:00:31 -0800
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > Because, in general, when talking about monopoly we're talking post Windows
> > 3.1.
Absolutely wrong. Crimosoft has been engaging in monopolization since
the early 80's. Did I get u wrong or did you just admit that MS is a
monopoly, Erik?
--
Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
Microsoft "Tech Support".
1) Re-boot
2) Re-boot
3) Re-install all your software
4) Buy the new release (again)
5) Go to 1
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:01:01 GMT
In article <Vbgm6.1566$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >Imagine if 10,000 people all started sending one ping/sec to the same
>> >site. Now imagine one guy planting a remote-control trojan like Back
>> >Orifice or trinoo on a few hundred systems and sending 100 pings/sec.
>>
>> That's the point, Bob. Notice that this is an imaginary example.
>> NOBODY has ever heard of a DoS attack with normal pings. Nor any
>> particular value to the use of simple ping sweeps by hackers, which is
>> the most often cited "reason" for being clueless about this matter.
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2448190,00.html
>
Special software called Smurf does not sound like "a DoS attack with
normal pings" to me.
I would say that blocking pings to the broadcast address sounds
reasonable enough without going so far as to block all pings.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:01:01 GMT
In article <NCgm6.41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>No, it's because they realized they had a hacked together code base that had
>reached it's limits of maintainability. That's why Mozilla was forced to
>throw away the entire NS4 code base and start from scratch, taking almost 3
>years and still not finished.
>
I thought the reason it has taken so long is that they had to first
remove and then replace a lot of proprietary software which people
would no longer consider being without.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:01:01 GMT
In article <Mtgm6.35$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > Browsers began as free products. NS tried to turn a free product into
>> > a pay product. It's not surprising they ultimately failed.
>>
>> So why was MS so fearful of their market share? Why did they spend
>> millions, by their own admission, to kill off Netscape if they were
>> doomed from the start?
>
>Because the browser threatened their OS market.
>
"It was self defense your honor. That baby would have killed me
when he grew up. It was just a case of me or him."
>> In any case, your implication that their business model was doomed does
>> not follow. They were, in fact, able to sell browsers and make
>> significant revenue until a deep-pocketed competitor who could draw on
>> other revenue sources decided to try to put them out of business.
>
>Tell me, how is it good for consumers to turn a product, which was offerered
>for free by all it's competitors into a pay product?
>
It is called "opening up a new market."
Much as it surprises you and M$ good businesses do it every day.
Sort of like "Why would anybody buy a Linux CD ?"
Happens all the time. Convenience adds value to something they
could get for free.
I bet the guy who first thought of selling bottled water met a lot
of "visionaries" like you and Bill.
--
How much do we need to pay you to screw Netscape?
- BILL GATES, to AOL in a 1996 meeting
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: 25 Feb 2001 21:01:37 -0700
. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > You don't seem to understand the workings of TCP/IP. What care I about
> > > a router? If there is no response, there is no response. The only
> > > possible explanation is a failure somewhere.
> >
> > I understand them perfectly. I guess, according to you, if internet the
> > backbone goes down, then the destination server is also down just because
> > you can't get to it.
>
> No, but the ping wont get through, which will indicate a problem with the
> network, correctly so. This is why MS *shouldn't* be blocking pings.
Huh? Why *should* they allow ICMP traffic?
> The problem is that the RFC specifies that the IP stack implementation
> needs to honor echo requests, but doesn't specify (the pasted-onto-
> newsgroup parts anyway... I'm not going to read an entire RFC to post a
> paragraph) that all networks must allow this traffic. Obviously, since
> the network is privately owned, they have final say on what is and isn't
> allowed on their network.
Exactly, and if someone wrote a web browser that did an ICMP check
before going to a site, and if that browser became very popular, they
might change their policy. As of now, though, the only reason to
allow ICMP traffic through a DMZ is to let kiddies quickly map your
network. (not to mention the fact that Microsoft has problems with
coding good ICMP pakcets... ;)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Amphetamine Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 19:57:56 -0800
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Erik! Go get 'em! They're wrong, we know, because PageMaker is
> > still expensive, and mice and keyboards haven't reduced in price....
>
> RageMaker is still around!? Wow!
> Haven't seen a trace myself!
Very very popular and excellent product.
--
Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
Microsoft "Tech Support".
1) Re-boot
2) Re-boot
3) Re-install all your software
4) Buy the new release (again)
5) Go to 1
------------------------------
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Date: 25 Feb 2001 20:59:17 -0700
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
> >"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >Fine. The host *DOES* implement ICMP echo.
>
> Apparently, it doesn't. I sent a ping to www.microsoft.com, and
> received no response.
>
> >The router inbetween the host
> >and the outside world doesn't allow it to pass. I know of no RFC which
> >requires a router to pass ICMP traffic.
>
> You don't seem to understand the workings of TCP/IP. What care I about
> a router? If there is no response, there is no response. The only
> possible explanation is a failure somewhere.
Many organizations don't route ICMP requests. It's an easy way to
force network kiddies into using tools that are easier to IDS.
Try pinging any of my machines, for instance.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: [OT] .sig (was: Something Seemingly Simple.)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:10:34 -0500
Richard Heathfield wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > Are you awared that the recommend maximum length for a .sig is 4 lines?
> > >
> >
> > Are you aware that this suggestion was formulated during the days
> > before fiber-optics, when MFM and RLL were not even invented yet,
> > and the ARPA-NET backbone had a 56k bandwidth and 20 megabyte disks
> > were considered huge...
>
> Are you aware that some of us are still using 28.8 modems and paying by
> the minute for our dialup connections, and that any saving is thus most
> welcome?
How much bandwidth do flamewars consume?
>
> If you answer, please remove your sig block before so doing.
>
> --
> Richard Heathfield
> "Usenet is a strange place." - Dennis M Ritchie, 29 July 1999.
> C FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
> K&R answers, C books, etc: http://users.powernet.co.uk/eton
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:11:00 GMT
Said Craig Kelley in alt.destroy.microsoft on 25 Feb 2001 20:59:17
-0700;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
>> >"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [...]
>> >Fine. The host *DOES* implement ICMP echo.
>>
>> Apparently, it doesn't. I sent a ping to www.microsoft.com, and
>> received no response.
>>
>> >The router inbetween the host
>> >and the outside world doesn't allow it to pass. I know of no RFC which
>> >requires a router to pass ICMP traffic.
>>
>> You don't seem to understand the workings of TCP/IP. What care I about
>> a router? If there is no response, there is no response. The only
>> possible explanation is a failure somewhere.
>
>Many organizations don't route ICMP requests. It's an easy way to
>force network kiddies into using tools that are easier to IDS.
This is a vapid fallacy, I'm afraid. Obviously, the "kiddies" are
smarter than the administrators.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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From: Amphetamine Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:05:02 -0800
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> > >Brent Pathakis wrote:
> >
> > Why should the operating system go down in price ? Has it
> > become cheaper to design and write operating systems ?
>
> Because Crimosoft is selling millions of copies, many more
> than before, when it had competition, and fewer people
> were using PCs with Windozzzzzzzzzz?
Not only that but the general price of all operating systems except
Windoze has gone down.
>>
> Chris "Coprolalics Anonymous" Ahlstrom
I guess it is better than "Coprophagics Anonymous", eh, Chris? ;)
--
Bob - shooting the bozo bit at 550 MHZ :). Wheeeeee! ;)
Microsoft "Tech Support".
1) Re-boot
2) Re-boot
3) Re-install all your software
4) Buy the new release (again)
5) Go to 1
------------------------------
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: RTFM at M$
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:05:37 GMT
Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 25 Feb 2001
>> >"Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> [...]
>> >Fine. The host *DOES* implement ICMP echo.
>>
>> Apparently, it doesn't. I sent a ping to www.microsoft.com, and
>> received no response.
>
>Irelevant, since your ping request isn't getting to the machine. [...]
The only thing that is ever relevant with ping is whether you're getting
a response. Whether it is because the software is incapable of
supporting IP or because the network is, is not concern of mine, at this
point.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
------------------------------
From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c
Subject: Re: Something Seemingly Simple.
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:11:20 -0500
Tim Hanson wrote:
>
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > Bloody Viking wrote:
> > >
> > > Edward Rosten ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > >
> > > : Those are perfectly normal errors: you have no cos function. You need to
> > > : link against the maths library as well as #including the header.
> > >
> > > : gcc -lm ...
> > >
> > > The "0lm" trick sure did it. Just tested it on another virtual console.
> > > Thanks! Fun easier quesation. Why isn't it in degrees as is the standard?
> > >
> >
> > Becuase Pi radians = 1 complete circle.
> >
>
> Nope. C = pi 2r = pi d.
>
You're right. My bad.
> > radians are a "unitless" type of unit, and therefore, the standard.
> >
> > > --
> > > FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> > > The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> > > The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> > L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
> > but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
> >
> > K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> --
> Vila: "I think I have just made the biggest mistake of my life."
> Orac: "It is unlikely. I would predict there are far greater mistakes
> waiting to be made by someone with your obvious talent for it."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: "meow" is yet another anonymous coward who does nothing
but write stupid nonsense about his intellectual superiors.
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: why open source software is better
From: Chris Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:11:47 GMT
George of the jungle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I am in favor of open source BMWs.
>
> Too bad, BMW is not.
You can't really take it away from BMW, they really do a lot of metal
bending, painting, die-casting etc to build a car. If you had a
complete technical readout of the Death^H^H^H^H^HBMW 850i it still
wouldn't help you much in getting your own.
If you have a complete technical readout of software, then you have
that software, unless the software has been altered to refuse to work
in certain cases, say the absence of a license key.
Big difference.
--
Chris Morgan <cm at mihalis.net> http://www.mihalis.net
Temp sig. - Enquire within
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From: Tim Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Mircosoft Tax
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 04:12:35 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Brent Pathakis wrote:
> > >
> > > Saw this article:
> > >
> > > http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/7698.html
> > >
> > > Leaving out the ms vs linux arguments, MS supporters, explain to me how
> MS
> > > can justify charging licenseing fees and a machines where no products
> are
> > > installed?
> >
> > Here's a continuation:
> >
> > http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/indepth/docs/dg022501.htm
> >
> > with a little excerpt:
> >
> > "PCs are becoming obsolete, you say? Wrong.
> > They're still selling in huge numbers, because
> > they're enormously useful devices whose
> > utility keeps expanding. The only component
> > in the average PC that hasn't come down
> > sharply in price is -- you guessed it --
> > the operating system. Microsoft continues
> > to spin off monopoly profits, with no end
> > in sight."
> >
> > By the way, you misspelled Microsoft in your Subject line.
> > It is actually spelled "Crimosoft".
>
> The article is based on a faulty premise. Since Windows 95 came out, not
> all components have come down in price in any significant way. Cases and
> Power supplies have not come down in price since 95. Floppy disks have not
> come down in price. A good quality keyboard or mouse has not come down in
> price. Many components have gone UP in price. The GeForce 3 video card
> will cost $599, the GeForce 2 Ultra costs $499.
Actually, the best indication of monopoly power isn't relative price
over time but relative profit margins throughout the business cycle.
One guess as to which company in the PC business has the biggest profit
margin over time.
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