Linux-Advocacy Digest #411, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 02:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: No More Linux! (.)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: No More Linux! (Donn Miller)
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Paul Colquhoun)
Re: Linux has one chance left......... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux in college & high school (jtnews)
Re: Shared library hell (Perry Pip)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("JS PL")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: No More Linux!
Date: 11 May 2001 03:52:16 GMT
Chris Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>>
>>
>>"." wrote:
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>> > What will FreeBSD do for me (as a desktop non programmer user) that
>>> > Linux can't?
>>>
>>> For you? Nothing. It has less sound apps and xwindows crashes exactly
> as
>>> much, you goddamned moron.
>>
>>Well, one thing he might like is the /usr/ports thingie. That way, he
>>doesn't have to go searching all over creation for package/port
>>dependencies. Or am I thinking about Pete Goodwin?
>>
>>
> The BSD /usr/ports thingie is a total pain-in-the-ass especially if you
> don't have a 24/7 T1 connection to the internet. Why do you think so many
> people who have a clue about BSD /usr/ports system start snickering when the
> BSD guys tell Windows losers how never had to put up with it about how great
> the ports system is?
> Here's a clue. It's *NOT* all that great.
Sure it is, just not always. It depends very much on what youre using FreeBSD
for in the first place.
If you just go running around blindly doing make installs all over the ports
tree, youre bound to break something eventually. But if you look at the makefiles
inside the ports collection and come to understand them, you'll see that it really
is an incredibly useful tool.
=====.
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:07:29 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> MS stands convicted of monopolization and restraint of trade on three
> counts.
Yet the indictment and trial was supposed to be about tying of a browser.
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm
And the relief sought was supposed to be allow the broswer to be rejected by
OEM's if they so pleased.
Guess what happened to the case when Jackson and the DOJ got the slap down
from the higher court on the Win95 injunction farce.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-330536.html
Jackson set out on a mission to drastically expand the case in mid trial,
shut down any attempt by Microsoft to adequately defend themselves against
the new charges. Put the trial on the fast track and get back at Microsoft
AND the appeals court for threatening his moment in the sun. His "Swan Song"
so to speak.
Jackson, has no grasp of the "facts" of the case because he single handedly
turned it into an illegal lynching. His "Finding of Facts" were arrived at
illegally. The appeals court will quite handily throw the whole thing out.
I've seen some Chinese trials with more fairness than that DOJ vs MS thing!
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:08:48 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> MS stands convicted of monopolization and restraint of trade on three
> counts.
Yet the indictment and trial was supposed to be about tying of a browser.
http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f1700/1763.htm
And the relief sought was supposed to be allow the broswer to be rejected by
OEM's if they so pleased.
Guess what happened to the case when Jackson and the DOJ got the slap down
from the higher court on the Win95 injunction farce.
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-330536.html
Jackson set out on a mission to drastically expand the case in mid trial,
shut down any attempt by Microsoft to adequately defend themselves against
the new charges. Put the trial on the fast track and get back at Microsoft
AND the appeals court for threatening his moment in the sun. His "Swan Song"
so to speak.
Jackson, has no grasp of the "facts" of the case because he single handedly
turned it into an illegal lynching. His "Finding of Facts" were arrived at
illegally. The appeals court will quite handily throw the whole thing out.
I've seen some Chinese trials with more fairness than that DOJ vs MS thing!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Date: 11 May 2001 04:11:29 GMT
Subject: Re: the Boom, Boom department
>Linux distributions include games of a quality and fashion that hark
>back to personal computing from the mid eighties.
>
>It's a fact.
>
>Linux is not yet a credible games platform.
>
That doesn't follow. Some of the greatest games in computing are not the most
recent. Frankly, I got a lot more mileage and fun out of Railroad Tycoon than
I did from Unreal. I have to think that the performance of X can actually
*help* producing good games, as developers can't use eye candy in lieu of
quality gameplay.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
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Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:39:05 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: No More Linux!
Chris Lee wrote:
> The BSD /usr/ports thingie is a total pain-in-the-ass especially if you
> don't have a 24/7 T1 connection to the internet. Why do you think so many
> people who have a clue about BSD /usr/ports system start snickering when the
> BSD guys tell Windows losers how never had to put up with it about how great
> the ports system is?
>
> Here's a clue. It's *NOT* all that great.
There are lots of mirror sites that carry the FreeBSD distfiles. You
could always haev someone burn the distfiles on a CDROM for you. I also
don't see what the problem is, because you'd still have to download the
packages in binary form if you were using Linux or whatever. After all,
it's not like you're sitting there downloading distfiles all day. Once
all the distfiles are downloaded and stored under /usr/ports/distfiles,
the rest of the port-building process is just CPU crunching.
I don't exactly know what you're saying here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun)
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:45:03 GMT
On 10 May 2001 20:07:08 -0700, rob@rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron says...
|>
|>Tom Wilson wrote:
|>>
|>> "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|>> > On Mon, 07 May 2001 15:02:17 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>> > >
|>> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|>> > >> Tom Wilson wrote:
|>> > >> >
|>> > >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
|>> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
|>> > >> >
|>> > >> > <snip>
|>> > >> >
|>> > >> > > > > I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be
|>> the
|>> > >> > > > > Seagull.
|>> > >> > > > > Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of
|>> Seagulls
|>> > >go
|>> > >> > on
|>> > >> > > > > a straffing run!
|>> > >> > > >
|>> > >> > > > The avian mammals or the 80's new wave group with the funny hair?
|>> > >> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|>> > >> > > You mean: "The aqautic avians or the 80's new wave gropu with the
|>> > >funny
|>> > >> > hair?
|>> > >> > >
|>> > >> > > answer: yes
|>> > >> >
|>> > >> > Aquatic or no, they're still mammals...
|>> > >>
|>> > >> birds are mammals????
|>> > >
|>> > >They are warm-blooded and the feathers are just modified hairs.
But they don't produce milk. Hence they are not mammals.
--
Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left.........
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:46:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, T. Max Devlin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 10 May 2001 16:21:31 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001
>>On Wed, 09 May 2001 14:58:17 GMT, T. Max Devlin
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 08 May 2001 20:32:22
>>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So in other words you don't know what you are talking about and have
>>>>> no facts to back up your foolish statement?
>>>>
>>>>That appears to be the size of it.
>>>
>>>And here V had the naivete to say you weren't a troll, Pete. You should
>>>feel stupid.
>>
>>Why should Pete feel stupid?
>>You made a statement that you can't back up because you haven't a clue
>>concerning Direct-x.
>
>I use it. It sucks. 'Nuf said.
Perhaps you can clarify this statement. One does not use DirectX
directly, as it is an API/library; instead, one plays a game or
uses a sophisticated 2-D or 3-D rendering system which requires
Direct X. I assume, for the sake of this argument, that Direct3D
is built on top of DirectX. You'll see why in a moment.
I play Unreal (it's one of my many faults :-) ) and have noticed that,
at least on my machine, that OpenGL is slightly buggy but
looks gorgeous, and Direct3D, while bug-free for the most part,
makes me think of looking through a screen door because of its
dithering method. As always, non-accelerated software rendering
looks like crap, but is usable.
For what it's worth.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 10d:01h:40m actually running Linux.
I don't hate Microsoft. Just their products.
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:53:32 -0400
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > > > Or, more honestly, it's the best tool to build apps for that
desktop,
> > > > > because it dominates (criminally) that desktop. Nobody ever
accused
> > you
> > > > > of being honest, though, eh, Daniel? :-*
> > > >
> > > > The amazing thing isn't really that you believe that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK, Daniel...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ thats you
being
> > > passive aggtressive.
> >
> > I'm glad you are here to tell me these things;
> > Max never does.
> >
> > Can you explain why that is "passive agressive"?
> > I really truly don't get it.
> >
>
> Get a shrink.
>
> > > > The amazing thing is that you can't wrap your
> > > > brain around the notion of anyone disagreeing
> > > > with you.
> > >
> > > The amazing thing is you wont take your head out of Gates' butt long
> > > enough to realize what Microsoft has done, despite the fact that you
> > > have been given quotes from memos and emails from M$ employees and M$
> > > competitors.
> >
> > Apparently you, also, find it hard to wrap your
> > brain around the notion of anyone disagreeing
> > with you.
> >
>
> I have no problem with people disagreing with me.... rationaly.
>
> > > You ususal repsone..."oh, Im sure thats not what he meant..."
> >
> > My usual response to your quotes is to point
> > out that "that" isn't what he said.
> >
>
> ... and you are wrong, because "that" is usally in word for word form.
>
> --
> Rick
Is that you scuzzybear? Did you re-invent yourself as "Rick"
sfcybear ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
You sound an awfull lot like him, even right down to the bad spelling when
you get excited.... I wonder....
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:02:05 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said chrisv in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 15:07:44 GMT;
> >T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Max wonders why you seem unable to address him like an adult would.
> >>
> >>Because most people use a lot of metaphysical ideas in the way they
> >>'explain' how the world works to themselves. Illogical, unscientific,
> >>yet still undeniably practical. As long as ignorance doesn't bother
> >>you, that is.
> >>
> >>You don't honestly think philosophers are insulted when everyone else
> >>claims they're just playing word-games, do you?
> >
> >Said the guy who lost the argument. Again.
>
> You don't honestly think I give a rip how many times you pre-emptively
> and unilaterally declare victory, do you?
You left out "correctly"...
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:07:57 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Suddenly we need to qualify what is "possible" and what is not? Way to
> go metaphysical, dude. Go look up the word "unfalsifiable" in a really
> big dictionary, OK?
No such word (go figure) it looks like it's just another word you made up.
But then it gave me a huge list of suggestions begining in "un". I clicked
on "unbalanced" and there was a picture of you. tee hee..
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:13:23 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >Media Player 7 is unusable on a P133 with 32M Ram for either CD
> >or mp3 playing while winamp works just fine. It works on a
> >P300 laptop with 128M, but I don't have anything in between to
> >try.
>
> Thanks for the backup Les. I'd have to wonder whether winamp really
> "works just fine" on such a limited system, though. It seems hard to
> imagine that the OS itself would "work just fine", let alone a program
> on top of it. ;-)
Is your memory that poor? People really did use computers for useful
things earlier than last year. I was running a unix system driving about
40 serial lines in the mid 80's with an 80 gig hard drive, 2 gigs of RAM
and a CPU with about the power of a '286. It didn't draw any pretty
pictures on the screen but it got a lot of work done and ran for years with
next to no attention.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:12:54 GMT
I heard Columbia University uses
Linux along with vmware to study
operating systems.
Christopher Corbell wrote:
>
> I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just
> individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational
> settings, particularly in high school, community college,
> university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there
> know of any general sources of information on the use of
> Linux in these settings? I would especially be interested
> in the use of Linux in math & science education. Also, I'd
> like to know about any advocacy groups, PC 'salvage' groups
> or similar organizations that are active in getting Linux
> used in schools.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> - Christopher
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Shared library hell
Date: 11 May 2001 05:16:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 08 May 2001 20:16:41 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perry Pip wrote:
>
>> But with Linux, you can completely avoid these problems by first
>> configuring your symbolic links correctly and then as needed using the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> features described above. Learn how to do both.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did you read my previous post at all, Pete???
> libqt.so.2 -> libqt.so.2.3.0
>
> One app needs libqt.so.2.3.0, one needs libqt.so.2.3.4. Both use libqt.so.2
>
> How do you solve that one, if libqt.so.2.3.4 and libqt.so.2.3.0 are built
> with different versions of gcc?
With LD_PRELOAD, as described previously.
> The answer is easy - provided you have the sources.
You have the source, but you don't need it.
>It's not so pleasant if
> you don't.
Only if your too dumb you can't understand how to do LD_PRELOAD in a
wrapper script.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:21:41 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >Name it. [...]
> >>
> >> The exclusive right to profit from an author's work.
> >
> >No, in this case whatever profit is involved comes from the end user
> >obtaining the right to use the library as the calling program needs
> >it.
>
> So how does the developer claim the right to use the library for
> development, if he doesn't have that right because he didn't agree to
> the license?
A developer or anyone else has the right to use GPL libraries any
way they want whether they agree to the licence or not. The GPL
only restricts distribution and you are only forced to agree if you
distribute the covered material. Otherwise it is like a shrink-wrap
licence of questionable relevance.
> The extracted term "derivative" does not NEED to be in keeping with
> copyright use of the term, Les, so long as the results of the contract
> are not contrary to copyright or contract law. They are not. Your case
> is closed.
There is no such contract involved in the GPL. And I recall RMS
being quoted as saying that his interpretation was inherent in
copyright law (even though no one else sees it that way...). Too bad
usenet archives don't go back that far.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:28:34 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >The API is the least abstract part of the program. It is specifically
> >> >what the components *must* use to correctly interoperate. [...]
> >>
> >> Oh, yea. Real concrete. Not abstract at all. Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha.
> >
> >If you understood anything about programming you would know that
> >you must use specific program statements to invoke the functions in
> >a library. Those statements are the API and are not abstract at all. If
> >you don't use them exactly as required, the thing on the other side of
> >the interface will not work.
>
> If you understood anything besides programming, you would know that none
> of that makes it "concrete".
Change as little as one character as you use it in the program and it
won't work. That's about as concrete as it gets.
>
> The FSF has pointed out that "an API" such as Win32 or POSIX is, itself,
> far more concrete than an API that only one library supports. And if
> that one library is GPL, they have claimed that "using the API" is,
> analytically, using the library.
There is only one complete implementation of the Win32 library. Anything
written to Win32 is as much a derivative of it as anything using a
GPL library. These are exactly identical situations.
> Such use being explicitly forbidden by
> the private contract (copyright license) demanded by the author, they
> are prepared to argue the point to a judge.
The GPL does not prohibit use and explicitly admits that such claims
would be beyond its scope.
> You are certainly free to disagree with their interpretation of either
> copyright or contract law. But unless you are doing it in front of said
> judge, you're pissing into the wind.
And equally so for the other interpretation, but mine at least has
something to do with what the law mentions.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:41:04 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> I think you're just steam-rolling towards the destination you've
already
> >> picked out. There is plenty of evidence just like the letter Rick
> >> showed. The point is, such evidence is non-compelling, in a legal
> >> sense; Microsoft can't be convicted for simply choosing not to sell
> >> Windows without DOS. Anti-trust doesn't work like that. It is the
> >> monopolization, not the strategies used to monopolize, which are
> >> illegal.
"Whatever damage the antitrust laws may have done to our economy, whatever
distortions of the structure of the nation's capital they may have created,
these are less disastrous than the fact that the effective purpose, the
hidden intent, and the actual practice of the antitrust laws in the United
States have led to the condemnation of the productive and efficient members
of our society because they are productive and efficient."
Alan Greenspan
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:43:05 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Matthew Gardiner in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 10 May 2001
> >> My only agenda is to live my life happily. All else is just getting
there...
> >> I have no need to advance MS nor retard Linux; I just like to talk
about my
> >> preferences and correct fud and lies when I hear/read them.
> >>
> >> Why DID you post this message to alt.destroy.microsoft if you didn't
have
> >> your own anti-MS agenda?\
> >
> >I don't have anti-ms agenda. I couldn't care less what Microsoft does.
> >If they want to try .nyet, they let them, let the market decide whether
> >it is going to be a failure or success. If people want to use Windows
> >over Linux, then by all means, go ahead. However, I do get pissed off
> >when people complain about Windows being unstable or crap, yet unwilling
> >to move to another OS? haven't these lusers heard of the market place,
> >when demand goes down, Microsoft will start to re-evaluate and improve
> >their products, but until then, Microsoft will never get the message,
> >and why should they? the market place is driven by the demands of the
> >consumer, and if the consumers don't speak with their wallet, the
> >companies will think everything is a-ok.
>
> Correction: the marketplace is *supposed* to be driven by the demands of
> the consumer. Which is, of course, why, a hundred years ago, the U.S.
> Congress passed the Sherman Act, to ensure that this is all that would
> drive demand, and the desires of the producers (outside desire to
> compete and profit) are prevented from controlling prices or excluding
> competition.
"Whatever damage the antitrust laws may have done to our economy, whatever
distortions of the structure of the nation's capital they may have created,
these are less disastrous than the fact that the effective purpose, the
hidden intent, and the actual practice of the antitrust laws in the United
States have led to the condemnation of the productive and efficient members
of our society because they are productive and efficient."
Alan Greenspan
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:49:04 -0400
"Judge Jackson's ruling will divert innovative companies from creating
better products. Worse, it will send the message to innovators around the
world that in America we punish success. It is this ruling, not Microsoft,
that is damaging to consumers, as it would deny consumers new products,
better accessibility and lower prices. I'm confident the appeals court will
reject Judge Jackson's notion that any one man can foresee how this world of
possibility should unfold."
US Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX)
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:49:45 -0400
"You have to wonder why the Justice Department tries to fix something that
'ain't broke.' Are we now penalizing people for being successful? There is
strong competition in the growing Internet and software markets. Besides
that, consumers are paying less and less for products. ...What principle has
been violated here?"
US Rep. Henry Bonilla (R-TX)
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:50:21 -0400
"America's high tech community used to shun government interference. They
would be smart to continue to do so. The companies that encouraged the
Microsoft lawsuit made a Faustian bargain. Now that the government has
focused on this industry, it may be difficult to turn its attention
elsewhere. That's too bad. The case against Microsoft has hurt the high tech
community where it counts--in its pocketbook. But the full cost of this
ill-advised attack remains to be seen. Right now, America stands alone atop
the New Economy. Increased government intervention is a good way to ensure
that dominance doesn't last."
US Sen. Larry Craig, (R-ID)
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:51:03 -0400
"Fracturing the company is 'not an appropriate remedy,' and it would set a
bad precedent. When asked whether he thought Congress might act in response
to the decision, Goodlatte said the case 'has a long way to go.'"
US Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), Tech Daily, June 8
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:50:40 -0400
"Today's court order breaking up Microsoft and forcing it to relinquish its
intellectual property to its foreign and domestic competitors is a disaster
not only for innovators but for our constitutional rights as well. The
Constitution protects property - both real and intellectual - from seizure
by the government. I hope the Appeals Court will reverse this misguided
decision and leave the vigorous technology marketplace unregulated."
U.S. Rep. John T. Doolittle (R-CA)
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From: "JS PL" <hi everybody!>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:51:23 -0400
"Today is truly a sad day in our nation's history. Never before has our
government so viciously pursued a company that has done so much good for not
only Americans, but for people worldwide. Microsoft, the driving force
behind the booming U.S. economy, has revolutionized how we communicate, how
we educate our children, and how we live. It is clear that the government's
lawsuit and Judge Jackson's decision ignored the basis of anti-trust law.
Congress passed anti-trust laws to protect consumers, not competitors.
Ironically, it is the Department of Justice that has harmed consumers."
US Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA)
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