Am Mittwoch, 29. April 2015, 11:03:41 schrieb Theodore Ts'o: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 04:53:53PM +0200, Harald Hoyer wrote: > > Sure, I can write one binary to rule them all, pull out all the code > > from all tools I need, but for me an IPC mechanism sounds a lot > > better. And it should be _one_ common IPC mechanism and not a > > plethora of them. It should feel like an operating system and not > > like a bunch of thrown together software, which is glued together > > with some magic shell scripts. > > And so requiring wireshark (and X?) in initramfs to debug problems > once dbus is introduced is better? > > I would think shell scripts are *easier* to debug when things go > wrong, especially in a minimal environment such as an initial ram > disk. Having had to debug problems in a distro initramfs when trying > to help a customer bring up a FC boot disk long ago in another life, > I'm certain I would rather debug problems while on site at a > classified machine room[1] using shell scripts, and trying to debug > dbus is something that would be infinitely worse.
Later in boot process I have seen some debugging issues with a systemd governed userspace: Bug 1213778 - drops into emergency mode without any error message if it cannot find a filesystem in /etc/fstab https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1213778 Bug 1213781 - does not start ssh service if a filesystem in /etc/fstab cannot be mounted https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1213781 With shell scripts I had error messages for these, here I had to browse the output of journalctl -xb to find out. And then what do I do if dbus communication is not working for some reason? Will I then be able to use journalctl at all? Not that proper error reporting can´t be added in systemd and the dependency handling can´t be fixed towards some more sanity like for example "no /boot mount, no worries, I still start that ssh service for you", but currently for me this is a clear and heavy regression when I compare this with sysvinit boot behavior. I do fix things when being dropped to initramfs shell, I added some script snippet for supporting BTRFS RAID 1 while it wasn´t yet supported in Debian (dunno if it is for booting in Jessie, but as my bug reports have not been closed yet, maybe bot), I still want to be able to do these kinds of things. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/