Linux-Misc Digest #262, Volume #20 Wed, 19 May 99 15:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Journaling Filesystem Anyone? (Andrew Chung)
Re: mount linux drive from seperate linux box (Tom Elsesser)
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page (William Burrow)
Re: NT the best web platform? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Procmail From header configuration? (MIKEHOLLOWAY)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Tim Smith)
Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1 (Peter Englmaier)
Pop Authentication for Sendmail (Roland Nadeau)
Re: Alternative to OSS for Sound Blaster PCI128? (Latrell Sprewell)
Re: Freeciv RPM - missing libraries ("Michael Schmeing")
Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test ("Oliver D. Bedford")
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm ("Aaron Brace")
Non-destructive partioning of linux partition? (benjamin mullin)
Restoring from tapes after crash (Marc D. Bumble)
Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page ("D. Vrabel")
Re: gcc ? (brian moore)
Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test (Rod Roark)
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (David Kastrup)
Realplayer G2 (Larry)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Chung)
Subject: Re: Journaling Filesystem Anyone?
Date: 19 May 1999 15:48:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What exactly is a journaling file system? I remember reading an interview
>with Linus Torvalds, and he mentioned this being one of the big things in
>upcoming kernel versions. From what I understand, all the major versions of
>Unix do it (SGI, Sun, etc.), so it makes sense for Linux to have it,
>according to Linus.
>From http://www.netzservice.de/Home/kk/inkomploehntopp/00709.html
A JFS is a file system that writes all modifications into a
circular log prior to (or instead of) comitting them on disk.
The AIX JFS, the DEC OSF/1 Advanced File System, the SGI XFS,
the Window NT NTFS and the Episode file system are JFSes.
Current BSD also has the lfs (log based file system) which is
based on prior works of Osterhout for the Sprite system. This
file system stores all information in logs, the whole file
system is a log.
Journalling File Systems can use the information from the log to
recover from a system crash. Post-Crash checking is only
dependent on the number of active processes at crash time, not
on the size of the file system.
File system checking time can become a quite significant factor
in large installations. For example, one administrator on the
alpha-osf-managers mailing list complained about several days of
UFS fsck time after a crash. He had 400 GB of disk space on his
machine. With a Journalling File System as OSF/1 Advanced File
System the system was able to recover in minutes.
Another problem with modern file system is metadata update
(metadata is directory entries, inodes, indirect blocks and so
on), which has to be done synchronously or at least in a
somewhat orderly fashion to keep the FS always in a consistent
state. This turns out to be a major performance bottleneck,
which can be worked around with a log.
--
Andrew Chung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
See http://anderoo.dhs.org/~anderoo/pgp.html for PGP key
It's a sin only if you dwell on the what ifs and the but ifs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Elsesser)
Subject: Re: mount linux drive from seperate linux box
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:04:35 GMT
Thanks to all who helped, I appreciate it. I am certain I can get it
now, as I was fairly close. The man page for NFS has the proper usage,
I just didn't know to look there.
Thanks again.
--
Tom
On Stardate 17 May 1999 22:09:55 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
wrote:
|->On Mon, 17 May 1999 11:18:20 -0700,
|-> Edwin Chacon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|->> try this...\\\\linux\\dev\\hda2....i heard somewhere..that you have to do some
|->> weird..thing..and use...4-\ for the computer name and 2-\ for dir or share
|->> name...but seems to work here at work..try it..
|->
|->Icky.
|->
|->Why not just:
|->
|->mount linux:/usr2/archived /archived
|->
|->Much simpler, eh?
|->
|->You can add the -t nfs if you want, but mount is smart enough to spot
|->the : and figure that out.
|->
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: 19 May 1999 16:21:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 19 May 1999 15:15:49 GMT,
William Wueppelmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>entering uppercase characters) and control (for switching modes, deleting
>characters and words, shifting text from within insert mode, and a few
>others). It provides efficient and flexible interaction with other
What are some control sequences (other than say the arrow keys -- most
vi clones use these for convenience in insert mode). Are these some
macros included with your version of vi?
>Basically, it does one thing, and it does it very well. In short, it's a
>traditional Unix program, and so its cool for the same reasons that grep,
>tr, sed or tee are cool: they're simple but highly flexible.
Some, like vim, even add some of the useful(?) features of Emacs, such
as colour and bracket matching.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:37:54 GMT
On 19 May 1999 02:47:28 GMT,
Benoit Goudreault-Emond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marc Slemko wrote:
>> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> TRG Software :
>> Tim Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> >It doesn't. How any ISP's (real one's) run NT, and how many run Unix?
>> >There's a reason.
>>
>> On the contrary. IIS on NT will outperform Apache on any OS you can
>> pick for static content as measured by current popular benchmarks.
>>
>> That has no relation to how much load it can handle in the real world.
>
>However, there is one thing that strikes me as odd, that I read somewhere,
>and have not seen since (was it wrong? Perhaps). Apparently, IIS caches
>its static content, but Apache does not, relying on Squid or a similar cache
>manager to do so. Therefore, a fair test would probably be to use Squid as
>well; any other test does NOT test Linux, but rather, Apache. (Obviously,
>Apache may, in fact, be caching stuff, but I would not know)
Hmm..this gets ugly. Of course, Apache may not cache static web
content (read: files), but the operating system may well do so
(Linux, in particular, has a built-in file cache; RAM that would
otherwise be unsed is actually doing something useful -- and it's
far quicker to fetch a file into RAM when it's already *in* RAM,
after all :-) ).
[rest snipped]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- cache, cache, who has the cache?
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From: MIKEHOLLOWAY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.network
Subject: Re: Procmail From header configuration?
Date: 19 May 1999 09:22:51 PDT
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>
> Configure sendmail to tell the world that you're your ISP? Just change the
> DM setting to what you want.
Ah ha! Now I'm getting somewhere! Does the DM setting constitute a single
line somewhere in that mess in sendmail.cf?
> Effect! Goodness gracious. Are you by any chance one of those 'murricans who
> can't tell the difference between affect and effect because the southern
> or western drawl makes A's sound like E's and vice-versa?
Guilty as charged.
Thanks,
Mike Holloway
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: 19 May 1999 09:10:47 -0700
Benoit Goudreault-Emond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm actually quite surprised that the Linux system worked that well, having
>a 2.0 series kernel on an SMP system. Even more surprising (and much more
>indicative of reality) is that Linux trounced NT on the dynamic tests,
>despite being stuck with CGI scripts where NT & IIS had some in-process
>stuff. Apparently, ZD Net folks never heard of the numerous Apache
Huh? Their charts had Linux + Apache CGI slightly slower than NT + IIS CGI,
and way slower than NT + IIS ISAPI. How is that a trouncing?
--Tim Smith
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From: Peter Englmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: New Star office for glibc 2.1
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:43:07 -0400
That would not be legal.
Fred Kuipers wrote:
>
> Does somebody want to make it available for the rest of us?? :->
>
> Eric Fierke wrote:
>
> > You can't download it. It is currently only available on the Applications
> > cd that ships with Red Hat 6.0
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > > Does anyone know where I can download the new glibc 2.1 star office that
> > > susposedly comes with RH 6.0?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
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From: Roland Nadeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.linux.xxx,alt.comp.linux.isp,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,computer42.mail2news.linux-alert,comp.mail.sendmail
Subject: Pop Authentication for Sendmail
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:13:35 -0400
Hey All,
I hope someone can help, I have a mail server running RedHat 5.2
here's the problem. Sendmail will not
allow someone on an unknown net relay, there has to be an enty for
thier net in the /etc/mail/relay_allow file.
ISP's like AOL have to many nets and I would have to allow all of
thier nets for my users to send an email.
This is a problem for possable spam relaying. Can someone point me to
a fix to use POP to authenticate or
any other possable fix.
--
Thanks.....Roland
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From: Latrell Sprewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Alternative to OSS for Sound Blaster PCI128?
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 04:48:15 GMT
In article <7hmqhk$c3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Madhu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What is OSS? I am not able to even get my Aztech PCI-338 A3D card
>to work. Do you know how to get my old ISA card Yamaha OPL3SAx card
>work? Pls reply soon, i'm really keen to get my system running. I am
>fairly a novice.
OSS/Linux is a commercial implementation of the Linux sound drivers that
are packaged with the Linux kernel. The homepage is:
http://www.4front-tech.com/linux.html
>From the compatability list, these Yamaha OPL-SA cards are supported:
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA (YMF701) based soundcard
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA2 based sound card (type-1)
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA2 based sound card (type-3)
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA2 based sound card (type-4)
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA3 based sound card
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SA3 based sound card (type-2)
Generic Yamaha OPL3-SAx (YMF715/YMF719) non-PnP
The OSS/Free homepage is http://www.linux.org.uk/OSS/
It has this note on their Yamaha card support:
Yamaha OPL3/SA, OPL3/SA2, OPL3/SAx
These cards support the Microsoft sound system interface and an OPL3
synthesizer. The PCI card is not supported.
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From: "Michael Schmeing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Freeciv RPM - missing libraries
Date: 13 May 1999 10:08:57 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Usherwood) writes:
> I am running SUSE 5.2. I downloaded the FreeCiv RPMs and tried to install
> them. rpm says I am missing ld-linux.so.2 and libc.so.6. Where can I
> get them?
Get SuSE 6.1. It should contain FreeCiv and is based on libc6. The
missing libs show that the binaries are compiled with libc6, this
means they are not going to work on SuSE < 6.0 without adding the libs
(which is a pain).
Michael
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e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www: http://www.Informatik.Uni-Oldenburg.DE/~michae2
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From: "Oliver D. Bedford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:30:01 +0200
Paul Gregg wrote:
> UPDATE: MINDCRAFT OFFERS TO RETEST WINDOWS NT(r) SERVER VS. LINUX
[...]
What a crap.
Why waste your time with a company which is incompetent, to say the
least?
If there is a need for such benchmarks, they should be done by a company
with some reputation for doing fair comparisons. I don´t see a sense
in providing Mindcrap^Hft with such a reputation.
I would suggest a new benchmark should be done by a reliable computer
magazine
(e.g. the german c´t). Then Mindcraft would get the publicity they
deserve.
Oliver
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:05:17 GMT
Just before high-siding, Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> shrieked:
: where's the lisp engine? ;->
That's the best part--there isn't one!
--
The New Testament offers the basis for modern computer coding theory,
in the form of an affirmation of the binary number system.
But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, nay: for
whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
-- Matthew 5:37
patowic jurai net DoD# WildCard 1989 VTR250
K6-200/kernel_2.2.0 PH#3 BNASPAM #3 1971 CL350
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From: "Aaron Brace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: G-N-O-M-E as default instead of Fvwm
Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:03:41 -0400
Do you have the gnome RPM's installed?
Aaron Brace
Unix System Administrator
L.L. Bean Incorporated
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "Itzik S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/15 7:41 AM >>>
Hi,
I'm re-sending this question, fixed ( i hope so ) and more detailed.
I'm trying to set G-N-O-M-E to be default instead if Fvwm,
but with no success.
I'm using RedHat 6.0 .
As far as I understand, this the scenario in my computer ( and many
others i guess.. ):
"/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession"
then
"root/.Xclients"
then
"root/.Xclients-defaults" ( who choose what to run according to
".wm_style" )
I think that "/etc/x11/xdm/Xsession" is trying to find some file and
can't find it because there i see the command "exec gnome-session",
but
it fails and continues to "root/.Xclients" etc.
Can anybody help, and tell me in which i set the default ?
Thanks,
Itzik.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benjamin mullin)
Subject: Non-destructive partioning of linux partition?
Date: 19 May 1999 04:59:53 GMT
Hello,
Maybe this is a stupid question, but is there a way to repartion a linux
partition without having to wipe it clean? Addionally, can you share a
swap partition between two linux installations?
Thanks
Ben
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Subject: Restoring from tapes after crash
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marc D. Bumble)
Date: 19 May 1999 14:32:04 -0400
What happens when you want to run a full backup from / ? If a file is
inuse by the kernel, then wont it be locked when you attempt a
backup/restore with tar? My impression is the files used by the
kernel must first be restored into a temp directory and then copied
over to the target location. For instance, if a shared library in
/lib might cause a problem, so the files would first need to be
restored in a temp directory and then copied over. Or is there a more
eloquent method. Im using GNU tar with SCSI travan tapes.
to create the archive from /
tar cf /dev/st0 .
to restore, I generate an index using
tar tf /dev/st0
and capture the contents with script into an index.txt file. Then
pare down the file list to get the files that I want and issue
tar xf /dev/st0 --files-from=index.txt .
in the temp directory where I want to restore the files.
Is there a more eloquent backup/restore method?
thanks,
marc
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From: "D. Vrabel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: nl.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: The Vi Lovers Home Page
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:10:53 +0100
On 18 May 1999, Michel Aartsen wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 1999 00:17:29 +0200, Thomer M. Gil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >Please visit the Vi Lovers Home Page. Vi is *the* editor under Unix, Windows
> >95/98/NT and many other operating systems.
> >
> >The Vi Lovers Home Page:
> >http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/vi/vi.html
> >
> >The Vi Lovers Home Page contains much Vi related info and links to:
> >- Many downloadable Vi versions for a large range of operating systems,
> >- Vi FAQs,
> >- Tutorials,
> >- FTP sites,
> >- jokes and the like,
> >- and much more.
> >
> >The Vi Lovers Home Page:
> >http://www.cs.vu.nl/~tmgil/vi/vi.html
>
> Emacs Suckz !!
> 5 MB for a text editor..... I don't think so.
Err... Its only 3MB. AND this is on a RISC machine (HP PA-RISC to be
precise).
David
--
David Vrabel
Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: gcc ?
Date: 19 May 1999 18:09:26 GMT
On 19 May 1999 11:06:09 -0400,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a way to allow #defines to start with a number,
> i.e. #define 100_xxx 100
> gcc 2.7.2.3 chokes on this where it used to just about a warning...
> For reasons I rather not go into, I like to maintain compatability
> with 2.7.2.1 which had this behavior
Why not just use sed or perl to fix your code?
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: * * * Mindcraft offer to re-run Linux vs NT test
Date: 19 May 1999 18:26:06 GMT
Paul Gregg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>According to an email from Microsoft today, Mindcraft have offered to
>rerun the NT Server vs Linux benchmarks which were all over the press recently.
>As yet the Linux Community (should read RedHat( have failed to respond.
>Perhaps someone with contacts can get someone in RedHat to take note.
Well, anyone with sufficient resources can do their own benchmarks
and publish the results. Red Hat certainly has the resources and
incentive, but they're probably all engrossed in Linux Expo right now.
I'd be quite surprised if they didn't come up with something soon.
Is it true what I heard about Bill G selling stock? :-)
-- Rod
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From: David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
Date: 19 May 1999 11:31:55 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> On 19 May 1999 00:02:53 +0200, David Kastrup
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >George MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> How does my freedom to bear arms in any way limit your freedom to do
> >> likewise?
> >
> >Not at all. It however limits my freedom in failing reasonably safe
> >when on the street because I know that millions of idiots get handed
> >over loaded weapons at a drool. Having an own weapon in ones pocket
>
> You likely don't live anywhere near the kind of neighborhood
> where you would actually have to worry. All of your 'fear'
> is just elitist posturing.
You are quite right that I am not living anywhere near the kind of
neighbourhood where I'd have to worry, since in Germany people are
only allowed to buy weapons (that get registered) if they can show a
license for it that they have acquired (a bit complicated if you are a
private person, I believe). All weapon sales can be traced back to
that license.
As a result, the typical small and household violence and crime scene
falls back on knives, hammers, fists and the like, which still can do
a lot of damage that in some cases turns out to be lethal, but the
numbers are quite different. Of course, there *are* professional
criminals which also carry shooting weapons. If the average John Doe
imagines that he has a better chance of survival in case of a conflict
with such a person if he is able to draw a weapon, he should think
twice.
Yes, I am glad that I am living in a country where not every small
criminal can pull a gun on me and will pull the trigger in nervousness
at a quiver because he has to expect every victim to do the same to
him.
Call it "elitist posturing" that I am glad not to live in a country
that insists on supporting death by shooting in the way the
U.S.A. does.
Americans are quite insane in that respect.
Contrast this with Switzerland. There, a large number of households
is *required* to have a gun available. The gun is the property of the
Swiss army and registered, any misuse of such a weapon is handled by
martial law. The people taking care of the weapon have been in the
army and have to have it controlled in intervals.
While you also have a model for a well-armed citizenship (which I do
not think in itself so very much desirable), it is handled in a much
more responsible manner. The way the U.S. does it is simply madness
dictated by lobbyism.
--
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Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax: +49-234-709-4209
Institut für Neuroinformatik, Universitätsstr. 150, 44780 Bochum, Germany
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From: Larry
Subject: Realplayer G2
Date: 19 May 1999 13:41:55 -0600
Is there or is there ever going to be a Realplayer G2 for linux?
Does anybody know?
Thanks
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