Mimmo
Thanks for putting us right, because I thought that modern gut was
from bigger sheep gut, and that might explain why we have to split
the gut to make thin trebles.
Regards
Anthony
Le 24 aout 07 =E0 18:54, Mimmo Peruffo a ecrit :
> No, no! martin is in mistake
> A whole single gut produce a more irregular and weaker string than
> those made from split strands.
> I find a lot of these affermations on the web from those that know
> nothng or few about stringmaking.
> Strings amed with more strand, at the same gauges are:
> more uniform
> more strong
> Ciao
> Mimmo
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anthony Hind
> To: Martyn Hodgson ; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Net
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 6:49 PM
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Gut strings - 'Universale corde musicali'
>
> Martyn
> I just had a thought. If price is your main concern, for whatever
> reason, you could look at Banjo strings. Martin Shepherd, I think,
> told me he sometimes uses Purr'll Gut Strings for his top string.
> Their prices look very cheap, but I don't know about the quality.
> Perhaps Martyn used them on the top, because they were very strong,
> or because he wants cheap relacements, for the string which breaks
> most.
> http://gourdbanjo.com/GBhtml/gut.html
>
> Regarding your remark, "you may also be aware of the view that the
> old trebles had a significantly higher tensile strength because they
> were made of a single well selected gut rather than two or three
> thinner guts twisted together which inevitably introduced an element
> of discontinuity within the string",
> that is why I mentioned a possible size difference between sheep
> today, and in the past.
> On the other hand, trebles today, are not made from two or three
> thinner guts, but thicker gut cut down into strips, and then twisted
> together. The gut now seems to be too thick to be used whole as a
> treble (I think I am correct in this, but please anyone say, if I
> have got it wrong).
>
> As to the Venice and the Pistoy, they are a twist of strings,
> themselves made of twisted sliced gut. They are not top strings, but
> for 4th down to 6th, at the smallest.
> Best regards
> Anthony
>
>
>
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> Le 24 aout 07 =E0 18:05, Martyn Hodgson a ecrit :
>
> >
> > Many thanks for this Anthony.
> >
> > My main motive for asking was the increasing cost of gut
> > (especially fret gut oddly enough) and Universale's prices seemed
> > very competitive - hence if their quality was OK then I'd order
> > from them rather than MP or Sofracob or Kurschner or others. In
> > your email I'm not wholly clear if the Venice strings which you
> > mention as being v good are Aquila's or Universale's - grateful for
> > clarification.
> >
> > Regarding numbers of guts in a string, you may also be aware of
> > the view that the old trebles had a significantly higher tensile
> > strength because they were made of a single well selected gut
> > rather than two or three thinner guts twisted together which
> > inevitably introduced an element of discontinuity within the
> > string: I'm not aware that modern string makers have taken this
> > challenge up yet.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > MH
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony Hind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dear Martyn
> > I don't know whether they are similar to Aquila Venice which
> > are a twine of two elements, and not a tress of three like Pistoys.
> > This according to Mimmo Perfuffo results in a more flexible string;
> > but I suppose flexibilty may not be everything.
> >
> > I found the Venice very good, particularly on the 4th course, where
> > Pistoys can't work.
> > According to MP it doesn't matter what material (ram, cow etc) that
> > the gut comes from. He claims to have made blind tests to prove
> this.
> >
> > On the other hand today we no longer find gut made from whole gut,
> > but strips. This might make a difference, perhaps. A friend of my
> > daughter has begun to keep a couple of "vintage" rare breed sheep,
> > and I notice how small and wild they look, more like miniature goats
> > (even the female has horns). I wonder whether sheep up to the 17th
> > century would not have been much smaller than today. I don't know
> > whether that means the intestines would have been smaller though. It
> > is just a thought.
> >
> > M.P. also tells me that he has now rediscovered much of the old
> > technology in his ongoing research, and could produce some
> strings as
> > strong as nylon; however, the process would be painstakingly long,
> > and I suppose they would be very expensive.
> >
> > I know that Dan Larson made a gimped string with tungsten that was
> > exceptionally true, and well liked by the lucky few who could try
> it.
> > This may not be historic, but I suppose it was cost that meant the
> > string remained in prototype form.
> >
> > I have the impression that if more lutists showed interest in gut
> > strings, we would see some very interesting developments in this
> area.
> > Regards
> > Anthony
> >
> > Le 24 aout 07 =E0 17:10, Martyn Hodgson a ecrit :
> >
> >>
> >> Has anybody experience of strings by this specialist Italian
> >> company offering 'Highest quality ram's and ox's gut strings for
> >> Renaissance, Baroque and Classical performance'?
> >>
> >> On their website they only show price lists for violin and gamba
> >> family instruments but offer 'Special ox's gut strings', High twist
> >> ram gut strings' Venice catlines' amongs others so I suppose culd
> >> provide suitable strings for lutes/guitars. Prices look good
> >> (especially fret gut).
> >>
> >> MH
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> x's twist', 'Venice Catlines' so I suppose
> >>
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