Francesco cover price in 1970: US$ 25. That makes a respectable 5.6% annual rate of return on investment. And it's more fun than a savings account.
By the way, on page 10 of the introduction the reader is urged to consult the microfilmed critical notes. Are these accessible still? P On 09/03/2008, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > abebooks is indeed a good place to look for used books. You can > search abebooks and other antiquarians all at once if you use the > Karlsruhe Connection--last column for book dealers. > > http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html > > (Do not use that top line for input. Use _specific_ author, > title lines.) > > The HUP Francesco edition comes around now and then. About > $US200 seems to be the going price. Beware there is the "Books > on Demand" reprint that you can purchase from ProQuest for > $US150. Some dealers are selling the BOD reprint for $200 and > higher. And the wholesale price they pay is about $US85. > > You need to take care with book prices on the Internet, > especially eBay and Amazon. I saw a book on eBay for $200 (2 > hundred) and using the Karlsruhe Connection found it elsewhere > for $10 (ten). About its real value. > =====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "lute" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:57 AM > Subject: [LUTE] Re: New piece of the month > > > | Thank you very much, Arthur, for your excellent explanations > about concordances, sources and the complexity involved in > researching them. > | Just one little point, about Musica Nova : it IS OOP but you > can find several good second-hand copies on specilised sites like > Abebooks. If Martin follows the link below he should find > something interesting there. I bought a second-hand copy a little > while ago and it is in perfect condition. > | Here's the link : > | > > http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/SearchResults?an=Slim&kn=music&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=Musica+Nova&x=0&y=0 > | > | (Unfortunately, I could NOT find a decent copy of your da > Milano edition so far... ;-( !!! ) > | > | Good luck, all the best, > | > | Jean-Marie > | > | ======= 08-03-2008 23:31:03 ======= > | > | >----- Original Message ----- > | >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | >To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | >Cc: "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > | >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:37 AM > | >Subject: Re: [LUTE] New piece of the month > | > > | >| Dear Arthur, > | >| > | >| Thanks - I thought you might be interested! I had not > realised > | >it was > | >| in Mertel as well, and now I look at it and it raises > another > | >| interesting question, because the Mertel text is practically > | >identical > | >| to Hirsch - where did they both (20 years apart and in > | >different > | >| countries) get this version? > | > > | >Hello Martin, > | > > | ><<ajn>>In working with early sources of lute music one must > | >realize that > | >literally tons of the stuff have been lost. And surely some > if > | >not much is lost without a trace. We know about Petrucci's > book > | >III (Gian Maria Allemani) because Ferdinando Columbus owned a > | >copy (destroyed in the Lisbon Earthquake) and the surviving > | >library > | >catalogue describes the volume. Otherwise we would just know > | >that there > | >should be a book III someplace. But by whom? And when? And if > | >the vols. were not numbered, we'd not even suspect that such a > | >book ever existed. There are > | >contracts with printers that indicate in the 16th century the > | >usual press > | >run for a book of lute music was about 1250-1500 copies. And > | >when you look around for surviving copies, how many are there? > | >Usually about a half dozen. More usually only a single copy > | >survives. Or none as with Gian Maria and Segni. In other words > a > | >book of lute music has one chance in > | >a thousand of reaching us today. And the chances are smaller > | >with manuscripts that originally existed in one copy. THat > would > | >make the chance of a piece in a manuscript having one chance > in a > | >million of surviving to our age! > | > > | >And there is a fantasia in the Siena manuscript copied about > 1595 > | >that was first published in a corrupt version in Paris in > 1529. > | >No other copy/version is known. That's even a longer > | >period. And it surely did not derive from a corrupt version. > And > | >there are no other sources for the piece which > | >surely originated in Italy, perhaps from the pen of Francesco. > | > > | >|I suppose Mertel must have raided some > | >| English sources (the very next piece in Mertel is a Fantasia > by > | >| Holborne, also in Hirsch but a tone lower) but it seems > | >| unlikely that he > | >| would have had access to Hirsch itself. > | > > | ><<ajn>>There were probably intermediary sources. The pieces > in > | >Mertal > | >are unattributed, but are overwhelmingly by Continental > composers > | >Perrichon, Laurencini, Galilei, M. Newsidler, Francesco, Cato. > | >The contents are reminiscent of Besard's _*Thesaurus*_ of > 1603. > | >And large numbers of pieces still remain unidentified. > | >| > | >| I would value your opinion on another pair of pieces: > Recercar > | >terzo > | >| from da Crema's 1546 book, and Siena f.4 (no.52 in your > | >Francesco edition). There are some curious discrepancies > between > | >| the two versions, though they are clearly both based on the > | >same > | >| "original" (by Segni?). > | > > | ><<ajn>>Which original do you mean? Segni just has a ricercar > with > | >the same openiojg theme. The version publ. in da Crema and > | >attributed to "Francesco de > | >milan" is in the HUP edition as Appendix 6. As such it does > not > | >appear > | >in the surviving pieces by Segni, and so perhaps we should > accept > | >da Crema's attribution. The da Crema version has additional > | >ornamentation, as do the other works. I think the original > was > | >composed as > | >SATB or SAT part music, as da Crema indicates on the titlepage > in > | >regard to > | >Segni, "intabulati & accomodati per sonar sopra il Lautto di > M. > | >Jo. Maria da Crema . . ." > | > > | >| Talking of Segni, is Slim's edition of Musica Nova still > | >available? > | > > | >Apparently it's OOP. > | > > | >| I would like to acquire a copy, even if most of the Segni > | >pieces > | >adapted > | >| for the lute are not in it, if my reading of Brown is > correct. > | >| > | > > | ><<ajn>>No. Slim and Brown were close friends and surely kept > one > | >another > | >informed. Slim did a very good job in tracking down lute > | >versions of Segni's ricercars. I only found two pieces Colin > | >missed, and I'll tell you about them a few paragraphs below. > | >Once again we are dealing with the chance survival of 16th > | >century music. Of Segni's publication _*Musica Nova*_ (Venice > | >1540), only the bass part book survives. That's it. All gone. > | >However a > | >pirated(?) French edition appeared in Lyons with many of the > same > | >pieces (as can be determined from the bass part). So that is > | >how Colin put together his edition of Musica Nova. But only a > | >few of the Segni works were arranged for lute. The many lute > | >arrangements that we do have probably came from a Segni > | >publication that is entirely lost. Some time around 1550 > Segni > | >published an edition of some 50 "Recercari, intabulature da > | >organi et da tocco". And an edition like that is probably the > | >source > | >from which people like da Crema made their lute arrangements. > I > | >wonder if that volume also included Francesco's works as well. > | >Because Segni and Francesco were colleagues at the papal > court. > | > > | >Colin missed a Francesco ricercar (No. 86) which appears in > Music > | >Nova (No. XI). Both sources date from about the same time, so > to > | >whom do we grant priority? Did Segni arrange a Francesco lute > | >piece for organ? > | > > | >I discovered another fun Segni concordance in Domenico > | >Bianchini's tablature book (Venice 1546). Two ricercars are > by > | >Segni. (Another one on "Faulte d'Argent" is in the style of > | >Cavazzoni.) One of the Segni ricercars is in Musica nova but > | >Colin missed it because the opening is embellished in > Bianchini's > | >lute arrangement. I was curious about that p[iece because so > | >much of the music in Bianchini's book is rather primative. > The > | >work of an untrained amateur. So what were the finely wrought > | >ricercars doing there? Segni was first organist at St. Mark's > in > | >Venice before going to Rome and joining Francesco. And > | >Bianchini? He was a master mosaicist and member of a family > of > | >mocaicists who worked in St. Mark's! When Bianchini was > working > | >high up on the scaffold, Segni might very well be down below > | >practicing the organ. I wonder if Bianchini sometimes played > his > | >lute arrangements down to Segni?<g> A kind of heavenly echo. > | >The beginnings of cori spezzati? > | > > | >| Best wishes, > | >| > | >| Martin > | >| > | >| Arthur Ness wrote: > | >| > | >| >Dear Martin, > | >| > > | >| >That is an interesting pair of works that you published. > The > | >| >Hirsch version is the same as a fantasia (or fuga--the > titles > | >are > | >| >not specific for each piece) in Elias Mertal, _Hortus > | >Musicalis > | >| >Novus_ (Strasbourg 1615), No. 79 (pp. 222-3). Probably the > | >| >proper > | >| >title is Fuga. I have a transcription (App. 4) like yours > in > | >| >parallel systems, and can send it if you are interested. I > do > | >| >think quite > | >| >a few of Francesco's works were conceived as ensemble part > | >music, > | >| >including several pieces called "fuga." Not necessarily was > it > | >| >by Julio da Modena. > | >| > > | >| >Judging from the ornamentation, the Hirsch/Mertel version > was > | >| >second, and an attempt to make the piece canzona-like. > | >| > > | >| >Or I'll post the transcriptions to my site. Let me know. > | >| > > | >| >Best regards, Arthur. > | >| >=====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== > | >| >* Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: > | >| > > | >| >For this week's free download from Classical Music Library > go > | >to > | >| >my web page > | >| >and click on Alexander Street Press link: > | >| > > | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ > | >| > > | >| >*Vaughan Williams'_ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas > Tallis___* > | >| >performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher > | >| >Seaman, conductor. More > | >| >information about this piece is available on our music > blog > | >| ><http://alexanderstreet.typepad.com/music>. > | >| > > | >| >For some free scores, go to: > | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ > | >| >=================================== > | >| > > | >| >----- Original Message ----- > | >| >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | >| >To: "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > | >| >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:06 AM > | >| >Subject: [LUTE] New piece of the month > | >| > > | >| > > | >| >| Dear All, > | >| >| > | >| >| The new Piece of the Month for March is now available on > | >| >| > | >| >| www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm > | >| >| > | >| >| Downloads are available as Fromino, Tab, PDF and MP3. > | >| >| > | >| >| I hope your copy of Acrobat reader behaves better than > | >mine - > | >| >it seems > | >| >| to be picking up the wrong file even though I've > | >double/triple > | >| >checked > | >| >| that the links are correct. Please let me know if there > are > | >| >any other > | >| >| problems. > | >| >| > | >| >| My web host has told me that, due to an upgrade, there > may > | >be > | >| >some > | >| >| disruption to service between 11pm this evening and 5am > | >| >tommorrow - I > | >| >| don't imagine this will be a problem for anyone in Europe > | >but > | >| >some of > | >| >| you may be farther-flung. > | >| >| > | >| >| Best wishes, > | >| >| > | >| >| Martin > | >| >| > | >| >| > | >| >| > | >| >| To get on or off this list see list information at > | >| >| http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > | >| >| > | >| > > | >| > > | >| > > | >| > > | >| > > | >| > | >| > | > > | > > | > > | > > | > | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > | > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > | http://poirierjm.free.fr > | 09-03-2008 > | > | > | > | > > > > -- Peter Martin Belle Serre La Caulie 81100 Castres France tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.silvius.co.uk http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ www.myspace.com/sambuca999 www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty --
