The critical notes are indeed very valuable. I think I ordered a copy from University Microfilms in Ann Arbor in the early '80s, and it was difficult to read...perhaps they still provide this service or perhaps Dr Ness can put the PDF online (strong hint). dt
At 07:05 AM 3/10/2008, you wrote: >Francesco cover price in 1970: US$ 25. That makes a respectable 5.6% annual >rate of return on investment. And it's more fun than a savings account. > >By the way, on page 10 of the introduction the reader is urged to consult >the microfilmed critical notes. Are these accessible still? > >P > >On 09/03/2008, Arthur Ness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > abebooks is indeed a good place to look for used books. You can > > search abebooks and other antiquarians all at once if you use the > > Karlsruhe Connection--last column for book dealers. > > > > http://www.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/hylib/en/kvk.html > > > > (Do not use that top line for input. Use _specific_ author, > > title lines.) > > > > The HUP Francesco edition comes around now and then. About > > $US200 seems to be the going price. Beware there is the "Books > > on Demand" reprint that you can purchase from ProQuest for > > $US150. Some dealers are selling the BOD reprint for $200 and > > higher. And the wholesale price they pay is about $US85. > > > > You need to take care with book prices on the Internet, > > especially eBay and Amazon. I saw a book on eBay for $200 (2 > > hundred) and using the Karlsruhe Connection found it elsewhere > > for $10 (ten). About its real value. > > =====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jean-Marie Poirier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "lute" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:57 AM > > Subject: [LUTE] Re: New piece of the month > > > > > > | Thank you very much, Arthur, for your excellent explanations > > about concordances, sources and the complexity involved in > > researching them. > > | Just one little point, about Musica Nova : it IS OOP but you > > can find several good second-hand copies on specilised sites like > > Abebooks. If Martin follows the link below he should find > > something interesting there. I bought a second-hand copy a little > > while ago and it is in perfect condition. > > | Here's the link : > > | > > > > > http://www.abebooks.fr/servlet/SearchResults?an=Slim&kn=music&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=Musica+Nova&x=0&y=0 > > | > > | (Unfortunately, I could NOT find a decent copy of your da > > Milano edition so far... ;-( !!! ) > > | > > | Good luck, all the best, > > | > > | Jean-Marie > > | > > | ======= 08-03-2008 23:31:03 ======= > > | > > | >----- Original Message ----- > > | >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | >To: "Arthur Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | >Cc: "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > | >Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 3:37 AM > > | >Subject: Re: [LUTE] New piece of the month > > | > > > | >| Dear Arthur, > > | >| > > | >| Thanks - I thought you might be interested! I had not > > realised > > | >it was > > | >| in Mertel as well, and now I look at it and it raises > > another > > | >| interesting question, because the Mertel text is practically > > | >identical > > | >| to Hirsch - where did they both (20 years apart and in > > | >different > > | >| countries) get this version? > > | > > > | >Hello Martin, > > | > > > | ><<ajn>>In working with early sources of lute music one must > > | >realize that > > | >literally tons of the stuff have been lost. And surely some > > if > > | >not much is lost without a trace. We know about Petrucci's > > book > > | >III (Gian Maria Allemani) because Ferdinando Columbus owned a > > | >copy (destroyed in the Lisbon Earthquake) and the surviving > > | >library > > | >catalogue describes the volume. Otherwise we would just know > > | >that there > > | >should be a book III someplace. But by whom? And when? And if > > | >the vols. were not numbered, we'd not even suspect that such a > > | >book ever existed. There are > > | >contracts with printers that indicate in the 16th century the > > | >usual press > > | >run for a book of lute music was about 1250-1500 copies. And > > | >when you look around for surviving copies, how many are there? > > | >Usually about a half dozen. More usually only a single copy > > | >survives. Or none as with Gian Maria and Segni. In other words > > a > > | >book of lute music has one chance in > > | >a thousand of reaching us today. And the chances are smaller > > | >with manuscripts that originally existed in one copy. THat > > would > > | >make the chance of a piece in a manuscript having one chance > > in a > > | >million of surviving to our age! > > | > > > | >And there is a fantasia in the Siena manuscript copied about > > 1595 > > | >that was first published in a corrupt version in Paris in > > 1529. > > | >No other copy/version is known. That's even a longer > > | >period. And it surely did not derive from a corrupt version. > > And > > | >there are no other sources for the piece which > > | >surely originated in Italy, perhaps from the pen of Francesco. > > | > > > | >|I suppose Mertel must have raided some > > | >| English sources (the very next piece in Mertel is a Fantasia > > by > > | >| Holborne, also in Hirsch but a tone lower) but it seems > > | >| unlikely that he > > | >| would have had access to Hirsch itself. > > | > > > | ><<ajn>>There were probably intermediary sources. The pieces > > in > > | >Mertal > > | >are unattributed, but are overwhelmingly by Continental > > composers > > | >Perrichon, Laurencini, Galilei, M. Newsidler, Francesco, Cato. > > | >The contents are reminiscent of Besard's _*Thesaurus*_ of > > 1603. > > | >And large numbers of pieces still remain unidentified. > > | >| > > | >| I would value your opinion on another pair of pieces: > > Recercar > > | >terzo > > | >| from da Crema's 1546 book, and Siena f.4 (no.52 in your > > | >Francesco edition). There are some curious discrepancies > > between > > | >| the two versions, though they are clearly both based on the > > | >same > > | >| "original" (by Segni?). > > | > > > | ><<ajn>>Which original do you mean? Segni just has a ricercar > > with > > | >the same openiojg theme. The version publ. in da Crema and > > | >attributed to "Francesco de > > | >milan" is in the HUP edition as Appendix 6. As such it does > > not > > | >appear > > | >in the surviving pieces by Segni, and so perhaps we should > > accept > > | >da Crema's attribution. The da Crema version has additional > > | >ornamentation, as do the other works. I think the original > > was > > | >composed as > > | >SATB or SAT part music, as da Crema indicates on the titlepage > > in > > | >regard to > > | >Segni, "intabulati & accomodati per sonar sopra il Lautto di > > M. > > | >Jo. Maria da Crema . . ." > > | > > > | >| Talking of Segni, is Slim's edition of Musica Nova still > > | >available? > > | > > > | >Apparently it's OOP. > > | > > > | >| I would like to acquire a copy, even if most of the Segni > > | >pieces > > | >adapted > > | >| for the lute are not in it, if my reading of Brown is > > correct. > > | >| > > | > > > | ><<ajn>>No. Slim and Brown were close friends and surely kept > > one > > | >another > > | >informed. Slim did a very good job in tracking down lute > > | >versions of Segni's ricercars. I only found two pieces Colin > > | >missed, and I'll tell you about them a few paragraphs below. > > | >Once again we are dealing with the chance survival of 16th > > | >century music. Of Segni's publication _*Musica Nova*_ (Venice > > | >1540), only the bass part book survives. That's it. All gone. > > | >However a > > | >pirated(?) French edition appeared in Lyons with many of the > > same > > | >pieces (as can be determined from the bass part). So that is > > | >how Colin put together his edition of Musica Nova. But only a > > | >few of the Segni works were arranged for lute. The many lute > > | >arrangements that we do have probably came from a Segni > > | >publication that is entirely lost. Some time around 1550 > > Segni > > | >published an edition of some 50 "Recercari, intabulature da > > | >organi et da tocco". And an edition like that is probably the > > | >source > > | >from which people like da Crema made their lute arrangements. > > I > > | >wonder if that volume also included Francesco's works as well. > > | >Because Segni and Francesco were colleagues at the papal > > court. > > | > > > | >Colin missed a Francesco ricercar (No. 86) which appears in > > Music > > | >Nova (No. XI). Both sources date from about the same time, so > > to > > | >whom do we grant priority? Did Segni arrange a Francesco lute > > | >piece for organ? > > | > > > | >I discovered another fun Segni concordance in Domenico > > | >Bianchini's tablature book (Venice 1546). Two ricercars are > > by > > | >Segni. (Another one on "Faulte d'Argent" is in the style of > > | >Cavazzoni.) One of the Segni ricercars is in Musica nova but > > | >Colin missed it because the opening is embellished in > > Bianchini's > > | >lute arrangement. I was curious about that p[iece because so > > | >much of the music in Bianchini's book is rather primative. > > The > > | >work of an untrained amateur. So what were the finely wrought > > | >ricercars doing there? Segni was first organist at St. Mark's > > in > > | >Venice before going to Rome and joining Francesco. And > > | >Bianchini? He was a master mosaicist and member of a family > > of > > | >mocaicists who worked in St. Mark's! When Bianchini was > > working > > | >high up on the scaffold, Segni might very well be down below > > | >practicing the organ. I wonder if Bianchini sometimes played > > his > > | >lute arrangements down to Segni?<g> A kind of heavenly echo. > > | >The beginnings of cori spezzati? > > | > > > | >| Best wishes, > > | >| > > | >| Martin > > | >| > > | >| Arthur Ness wrote: > > | >| > > | >| >Dear Martin, > > | >| > > > | >| >That is an interesting pair of works that you published. > > The > > | >| >Hirsch version is the same as a fantasia (or fuga--the > > titles > > | >are > > | >| >not specific for each piece) in Elias Mertal, _Hortus > > | >Musicalis > > | >| >Novus_ (Strasbourg 1615), No. 79 (pp. 222-3). Probably the > > | >| >proper > > | >| >title is Fuga. I have a transcription (App. 4) like yours > > in > > | >| >parallel systems, and can send it if you are interested. I > > do > > | >| >think quite > > | >| >a few of Francesco's works were conceived as ensemble part > > | >music, > > | >| >including several pieces called "fuga." Not necessarily was > > it > > | >| >by Julio da Modena. > > | >| > > > | >| >Judging from the ornamentation, the Hirsch/Mertel version > > was > > | >| >second, and an attempt to make the piece canzona-like. > > | >| > > > | >| >Or I'll post the transcriptions to my site. Let me know. > > | >| > > > | >| >Best regards, Arthur. > > | >| >=====AJN (Boston, Mass.)===== > > | >| >* Free Download of the Week from Classical Music Library: > > | >| > > > | >| >For this week's free download from Classical Music Library > > go > > | >to > > | >| >my web page > > | >| >and click on Alexander Street Press link: > > | >| > > > | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/arthurjness/ > > | >| > > > | >| >*Vaughan Williams'_ Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas > > Tallis___* > > | >| >performed by the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra; Christopher > > | >| >Seaman, conductor. More > > | >| >information about this piece is available on our music > > blog > > | >| ><http://alexanderstreet.typepad.com/music>. > > | >| > > > | >| >For some free scores, go to: > > | >| >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepq31c/arthurjnesslutescores/ > > | >| >=================================== > > | >| > > > | >| >----- Original Message ----- > > | >| >From: "Martin Shepherd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | >| >To: "Lute Net" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > > | >| >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:06 AM > > | >| >Subject: [LUTE] New piece of the month > > | >| > > > | >| > > > | >| >| Dear All, > > | >| >| > > | >| >| The new Piece of the Month for March is now available on > > | >| >| > > | >| >| www.luteshop.co.uk/month/pieceofthemonth.htm > > | >| >| > > | >| >| Downloads are available as Fromino, Tab, PDF and MP3. > > | >| >| > > | >| >| I hope your copy of Acrobat reader behaves better than > > | >mine - > > | >| >it seems > > | >| >| to be picking up the wrong file even though I've > > | >double/triple > > | >| >checked > > | >| >| that the links are correct. Please let me know if there > > are > > | >| >any other > > | >| >| problems. > > | >| >| > > | >| >| My web host has told me that, due to an upgrade, there > > may > > | >be > > | >| >some > > | >| >| disruption to service between 11pm this evening and 5am > > | >| >tommorrow - I > > | >| >| don't imagine this will be a problem for anyone in Europe > > | >but > > | >| >some of > > | >| >| you may be farther-flung. > > | >| >| > > | >| >| Best wishes, > > | >| >| > > | >| >| Martin > > | >| >| > > | >| >| > > | >| >| > > | >| >| To get on or off this list see list information at > > | >| >| http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > > | >| >| > > | >| > > > | >| > > > | >| > > > | >| > > > | >| > > > | >| > > | >| > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > | > > | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | http://poirierjm.free.fr > > | 09-03-2008 > > | > > | > > | > > | > > > > > > > > > > >-- >Peter Martin >Belle Serre >La Caulie >81100 Castres >France >tel: 0033 5 63 35 68 46 >e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >web: www.silvius.co.uk >http://absolute81.blogspot.com/ >www.myspace.com/sambuca999 >www.myspace.com/chuckerbutty > >--
