Dear Bill,
Gut also makes grooves - but some old instruments show fret knot
indentation so I'm sanguine about it!
I don't use nylon since I when tried it I found it difficult to fasten
securely using the normal (ie historic) double fret knot without it
slipping a little. And I like the elegance and ease of use of the old
knot. Also prefer to wear the frets before the strings.......
rgds
M
--- On Mon, 23/1/12, William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Tightening frets - was: Tempered fretting -
take your pick - OOPS!
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "Lute Dmth"
<lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Monday, 23 January, 2012, 13:32
Indeed, Martyn. I normally use double frets myself, but am surprised
at how few people do. Gut miserliness maybe?
I also (horror of horrors) often use nylon for the frets (I'm a
different kind of miser) - I suspect these frets will outlive me! The
only downside I've found with nylon frets is that the knot tends to dig
grooves in the neck if it's not veneered with some very hard wood.
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Lute Dmth <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, 23 January 2012, 12:51
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tightening frets - was: Tempered fretting - take
your pick - OOPS!
Dear Bill,
Double fret loops very rarely need tightening in such a fashion (ie
bunging in small wedges). I guess the double length allows a greater
stretch extension (and thus greater leeway) to be achieved.
Also by tying in a higher place (ie closer to the nut) and then
pulling
down to the required position, as indeed Mace advises, the fret can
be
tied very tight indeed.
Double frets have other advantages too in terms of wearing etc:
you'll
find communications about this in the archives.
regards
Martyn
--- On Sun, 22/1/12, William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
From: William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Tempered fretting - take your pick - OOPS!
To: "Anthony Hind" <[3]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Sunday, 22 January, 2012, 18:18
Nothing as sophisticated as tastini - just matchsticks wedged
under
the
frets (at the bass side of the neck) to tighten them. Don't we
all
do
it?
Bill
From: Anthony Hind <[1][6]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
To: William Samson <[2][7]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "[3][8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[4][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012, 18:05
Subject: Re : [LUTE] Re: Tempered fretting - take your pick -
OOPS!
I presume you are meaning "tastini"?
see
[5][10]http://home.planet.nl/~ooije006/david/writings/meantone_f.html
but are they playing in different temperaments, as your previous
mail
suggests?
Anthony
De : William Samson <[6][11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : William Samson <[7][12]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>; Ed Durbrow
<[8][13]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp>
Cc : "[9][14]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[10][15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Envoye le : Dimanche 22 janvier 2012 9h46
Objet : [LUTE] Re: Tempered fretting - take your pick - OOPS!
Apologies again - URL is very long so heres a short version:
[1][1][11][16]http://tinyurl.com/7fg8lvz
As well as the varied tempering - look out for the matchsticks
wedged
under the frets of some of these viols. We lutenists are no
alone
in
having problems with our gut frets loosening.
Bill
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