Hey Chris, that's really interesting. So the 19th century repertoire is
   replete with this technique? I'm surprized and feel there is much to
   this matter, which hasn't been thoroughly analyzed yet.   :) G.

   On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Christopher Wilke
   <[1]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

        The technique was common in 19th century guitar playing, where it
     was
        often marked with a "^". It does have some advantages and there
     are
        spots where it facilitates fewer chord shape changes. In that
        repertoire, I haven't encountered any pieces that I absolutely
     couldn't
        finger without the thumb over the neck. (I did, however, perform
     one
        contemporary piece in which the only way I could figure out how
     to get
        a particular combination of notes was to use the left hand thumb.
     This
        was not due to cleverness on the composer's part, but rather
     because he
        wasn't a guitarist at all.)
        I suspect that some lute players did this and some avoided it.
     There
        might be the odd piece that absolutely requires it. There also
     might be
        some performance practice insights one could gain from
     experimenting
        with it, but due to the risk of wrist injury, I'd be hesitant to
     make a
        regular practice of using it all the time. Even in the 19th
     century, it
        wasn't universal. Sor, for one, disapproved of it.
        Chris
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          On Oct 1, 2015, 12:01:01 PM, G. C. wrote:
        One obscure feature of plucking which has always fascinated but
     eluded
        me is the technique of using also the thumb to play on the lower
        strings. Supposedly mainly feasible on 6 course instruments and a
        narrow neck, it has apparently been in vogue and an open "secret"
     for
        the initiated since the days of Francesco at least (see famous
     painting
        by Giulio Campi on the cover of Doug's History of the Lute if it
     indeed
        depicts such a practice). I know that it is very common in Rock,
     (where
        its so widespread, that it has to be meaningful somehow). To me,
        (classically trained), it looks bizarre, and more like someone
     has
        learned to play the wrong way. But it has to have at least some
        advantages, as it seems to be so popular (at least among the rock
     music
        pluckers). Not only for barrA", particularly chords where the
     index
        presses on a fret in front of the fret that the thumb is stopping
     look
        bewildering. Might there be an ergonomic/finger mechanical
     reason?
        (Concert playing for hours so thereby avoiding carpal tunnel
     syndrome?)
        Is there someone here who could explain the inner workings and/or
        advantages of this technique in a simple way or point to a
     website, are
        there any uses for it in lute-playing (skewed barrA"?), and does
     the
        practice have a consensus name?
        Best regards
        G
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