As a (now retired) geophysicist, I sometimes think in metric, sometimes in 
traditional units, sometimes in "machinists' metric" (inches and .001 inches), 
and sometimes in "surveyors' metric" (feet, tenths of feet, hundredths of 
feet...). Sometimes I think it makes my head hurt.

On the other hand, I am firmly in favor of returning thorn to the English 
alphabet.

Guy

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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Tristan von Neumann
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 10:34 AM
To: lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: four and twenty

Because of the constant clinging to weird units, we already lost an expensive 
Mars probe :)


Am 29.01.2018 um 12:55 schrieb Christopher Stetson:
>     And, to continue Monica's thoughts, the change Rainer is speaking of
>     took place long before there were any standards for teachers at all.
>     it also depends on time and place.   In the United States, we have
>     certainly had standards for teachers for several decades, including
>     grammar, though I have never heard of any authority in any English
>     speaking country that could mandate this kind of usage.   However,
>     almost all of the English speaking population of the United States
>     still think in pints, yards, inches, gallons, and pounds.   The only
>     exception would be the scientific community, and I'm sure they're
>     "bilingual".   We made an attempt to officially go metric in the early
>     1970's, but the only survivor is soft drinks.   I buy gallons of milk
>     and gasoline, but liters of Coke.
>     Best to all, and keep playing,
>     Chris.
> 
>     On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 6:27 AM, [1]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>     <[2]mjlh...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> 
>       There is never likely to be any official reform of the English
>       language.   And teachers don't have a common opinion on what to
>       teach
>       children. The policy is to leave children to find everything out for
>       themselves.
>       As ever
>       Monica
> 
>     ----Original Message----
>     From: [3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de
>     Date: 29/01/2018 9:37
>     To: "Lute net"<[4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
>     Subj: [LUTE] four and twenty
>     A clarification:
>     I always thought that there must have been (sort of) an official
>     reform.
>     At least teachers must have a common opinion what to teach children.
>     Apparently there was none in England.
>     In Germany from time to time "mathematicians" propose to change the
>     German system since the current system makes learning Math hard for the
>     children.
>     Of course, this has nothing to do with mathematics :)
>     I guess such a reform (in Germany) would be very confusing for several
>     decades.
>     Switching from shillings and pennies to 100 pence per pound must have
>     been hard.
>     Do many people still think in yards, miles, pints, ...?
>     Cheers,
>     Rainer
>     PS
>     A new standard kilogram will probably come soon.
>     PPS
>     Coming back to lute matters: most people describe string tensions in
>     terms of Kg which is plain nonsense since Kg is the unit of matter.
>     What should be used is Kilopond which is equal to the magnitude of the
>     force exerted by one kilogram of mass in a 9.80665 m/s2 gravitational
>     field.
>     However, officially kilopond should not be used any more (since c1980).
>     I still prefer to talk about a tension of 3 Kilopond instead of 29.4
>     Newton :)
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