On 2016-12-09, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Le 08/12/2016 à 00:09, Guenter Milde a écrit :
>> * consistency: currently, if a user sees a guillemot « on screen, it
>> can be a literal character or a Quote inset and the LaTeX export can
>> be
>> "«" or "\guillemotleft" (depending on the "inputencoding")
>> "<<" (for Quote inset, even if « is supported by the encoding)
> Concerning this particular part: it is a remnant of the situation for
> french language 10+ years ago whaere we had to competing solutions. So
> it should indeed be cleaned-up with vigor.
This is (partially) cleaned up already:
literal « »:
converted to \guillemotleft, \guillemotright if required,
kept if supported by encoding.
Quote inset fld frd:
converted to \og \fr if language is french and language package babel,
converted to \guillemotleft, \guillemotright else.
This works nice with Babel and 8-bit fonts.
With non-TeX fonts and babel, \guillemotleft, \gullemotright,
\guilsinglleft, and \guilsinglright are taken from CM: this results in
non-matching characters if the document font is not CM. (Exception:
correct «» if the text language is french.)
No auto-spaces around quotes with polyglossia or HTML
BTW: LyX (Built from git commit hash e4c46abe) crashes with non-TeX fonts:
( 1) /usr/local/src/lyxtest/bin/lyx2.3:
lyx::frontend::Alert::doError(std::__cxx11::basic_string<wchar_t,
std::char_traits<wchar_t>, std::allocator<wchar_t> > const&,
std::__cxx11::basic_string<wchar_t, std::char_traits<wchar_t>,
std::allocator<wchar_t> > const&, bool)
( 2) /usr/local/src/lyxtest/bin/lyx2.3:
On screen, the spaces are shown
* if the document language is set to French but not if only the text
language is French.
* for all quotes, not just guillemets.
> However, it would need to double check whether the handling of « as
> defined in some language agnostic unicode package caters for the need
> that we have for French language (to be frank, I do not have the answer
> here, but there is a lot of code in french.ldf).
Currently, no auto-space around literal quote characters:
Suggestions:
a) differentiate «french» (with hard-coded small spaces) and «swiss» (without)?
Do you also want a space around quoted text for single guillemets?
+1 works independent of Babel
-1 double space, if user inserts a space, too.
b) preamble code: go=«, gc=» for encodings supporting «» or preamble code
\renewcommand{\guillemotleft}{\og} \renewcommand{\guillemotright}{\fg}?
Problematic, because «» will be turned into English quotes in other
languages:
If French quote characters are available on your keyboard, you can use
them, to get proper spacing in L A TEX 2 ε see option og=«, fg=» p. 8.
\og and \fg can be used outside French, they typeset then English
quotes “ and ”.
— `texdoc babel-french`
It should work with Babel when redefining \guillemotleft and
\guillemotright to \og fg in \extrasfrench and reset it in
\noextrasfrench.
+1 it does not matter, whether you input the spaces
or not: Babel inserts them if required and adapts them to the
correct size if they are there.
-1 does not work with Polyglossia nor with HTML.
Günter
