On 05.12.2011 21:29, Mike Swingler wrote:
On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:49 AM, Scott Palmer wrote:
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Artem Ananiev <artem.anan...@oracle.com>wrote:
On 12/3/2011 4:23 AM, Scott Kovatch wrote:
On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Mike Swingler wrote:
On Dec 2, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
Il giorno 02/dic/2011, alle ore 23:25, Scott Kovatch ha scritto:
Folks,
This may be a better question for Artem and the AWT/Swing team,
but it affects the Mac so I'm starting here.
Now that it's 2011, can we please get rid of
apple.laf.useScreenMenuBar and just allow menu bars in the Aqua
L&F to be enabled by default? I believe JavaFx doesn't force
Mac menu bars into the window (but if it does, I will make my
displeasure known to Richard Bair on Monday.)
I ask, because today I was looking at the changes to Web Start
and the plugin to allow this property as a 'safe' one that can
be defined in a JNLP file, and I decided now is the time to get
rid of it once and for all. It's not that I object to adding it
to Web Start; I object to the necessity of having to define it
in the first place.
-- Scott
I think you're right, I'm in favor of this change too.
Cheers, Mario
I'd be the first one to advocate for this, but isn't the key
problem that he semantics of the Screen Menu bar violate certain
rules in the JCK? Implementing arbitrary Java drawing into
NSView-based menu items might even be possible post-Leopard, but is
that really something the AWT team would want to implement?
JMenuItem is a JComponent... as such Java developers are rightfully going
to assume that the painting pipeline for JComponents applies.
Wanting (or not) to implement it isn't really an argument :-)
There are lots of UI guidelines that are platform specific and a general UI
framework may support things that aren't typical or desirable on a specific
platform. E.g. I believe on OS X icons on menu items are generally
discouraged, even though they are possible such as is seen in Safari's
Bookmarks menu.
I'm not saying that I'm against this by the way. If the Aqua L&F
automatically uses the screen menu bar that's fine with me. So long as
code that does unusual things with JMenuItems doesn't crash. It wouldn't
be the first time a particular look and feel was slightly incompatible with
the cross-platform look and feel. Perhaps though, just in case, the Java
Preference app could be used to toggle the default menu behaviour for the
Aqua L&F? At least that would give people a workaround for things that
break.
The current situation is the ScreenMenuBar is not default, but virtually every
app that has an explicit deployment for the Mac sets this property. Apps that
don't even bother to test or deploy for Mac OS X get cross platform behavior
and a cross platform user experience.
I don't see the harm of letting developers continue opt-up into a less
compatible, but more Mac-like experience. This is just like using Meta instead
of Ctrl based keyboard accelerators when on a Mac.
I suppose nobody object to enable this property by default in jdk9? The
possibility to switch it off will exist.
Regards,
Mike Swingler
Apple Inc.
--
Best regards, Sergey.
