Brian Carpenter writes: > On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote: > > > > As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique > > machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it.
In particular, MM2 L10N supports a couple dozen languages, including the major Han languages and dialects, and I think Hebrew and Arabic. MM3 supports English, French, German, and now Italian. > MM2 has some life. That is correct. MM3 has far more. Thank you both for your support. Of course, you're both right. ;-) Brian, do you see the presence of lots of MM2 installations around the 'net as a threat or irritation for you or your business? I don't see that, but you know your business and I don't. Or are you taking the users' point of view, and arguing that the features of Mailman 3 and possible risks to Mailman 2 installations make migration the "right thing"? The point is that I don't see a lot of direct harm to third parties from maintaining existing MM2 installations, if their owners are willing to accept the risks that come with an unsupported software stack. I don't disagree that for-profit services that offer these are irresponsible, but I don't see how that hurts you or us, given that we don't support that stack any more. > That is good as long as no major "DMARC" events come along. That's a very good point. There are major risks to using Internet- facing applications that lack an experienced, active development team. But that's up to the users to decide, while monitoring just how active Jim's team turns out to be. I think Jim should very much take this to heart, as well as thinking about the fact that we get several CVEs a year, which will be his job to deal with. I don't lose sleep over the CVEs (they're all 1s and 2s recently, and Mark did almost all the work before I could get started :-), but DMARC cost me a lot of sleep. > But I am seeing some complaints pointed at the MM developers for no > longer willing to develop MM2. That's just people blowing off steam, with a few people like Jim stepping forward and saying they'd like to serve the occasional need not served by MM2 as is or migration to MM3. Overall I take it as a compliment to the Mailman 2 developers, and Jim is a credit to the community. I have not seen the bitterness against Mailman 3 that was directed from several quarters against Python 3, just a lament about the loss of Mailman 2. ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
