Hi Michael

I'd like to discuss several issues re ExtUtils::MakeMaker,
so I'll number the sections for clarity.

All this is on `uname -all`:
SunOS ssapp0117 5.9 Generic_117171-15 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V890
with 24 Gb of RAM.
My test box has got 64 Gb (heh heh heh).

(1)
I install all modules in my own dir, so here's how I get the version number:
$PERL -I$INSTALL -MExtUtils::MakeMaker -e 'print
"$ExtUtils::MakeMaker::VERSION\n"'
No surprise there.
Now, 2 outputs from installing V 6.31, separated by lines of equal signs.
In the first case I unpacked the distro, cd'ed into the dir, and run the
command which follows. In the second case I ran the same command
(cut-and-paste)
from within a batch file. The test outputs are different. This confuses me.
The batch file includes unpacking the distro.
It's true that I don't have ExtUtils::CBuilder installed, and there is no
compiler.
Also, I've included the output of manually running (and killing) dos2unix
in case it helps.
=================================================
526 ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.31> $PERL -I$INSTALL Makefile.PL PREFIX=$INSTALL
LIB=$INSTALL
Writing Makefile for ExtUtils::MakeMaker
527 ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.31> make
cp inc/ExtUtils/Manifest.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Manifest.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_VOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_VOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Mksymlists.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Mksymlists.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_UWIN.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_UWIN.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/testlib.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/testlib.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Cygwin.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Cygwin.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/vmsish.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/vmsish.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_DOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_DOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win95.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win95.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Liblist.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Liblist.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_AIX.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_AIX.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Liblist/Kid.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Liblist/Kid.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Mkbootstrap.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Mkbootstrap.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/FAQ.pod blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/FAQ.pod
cp inc/ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP blib/lib/ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/bytes.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/bytes.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_NW5.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_NW5.pm
cp inc/ExtUtils/Command.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Command.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_OS2.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_OS2.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Unix.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Unix.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win32.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win32.pm
cp inc/ExtUtils/Installed.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Installed.pm
cp inc/ExtUtils/Packlist.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Packlist.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MY.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MY.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_MacOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_MacOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_VMS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_VMS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_BeOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_BeOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Tutorial.pod
blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Tutorial.pod
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_QNX.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_QNX.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Command/MM.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Command/MM.pm
cp inc/ExtUtils/Install.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Install.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Config.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Config.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm
cp bin/instmodsh blib/script/instmodsh
/opt/eHealth/web/aview/perl/bin/perl "-Ilib" "-MExtUtils::MY" -e
"MY->fixin(shift)" blib/script/instmodsh
528 ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.31> make test
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /opt/eHealth/web/aview/perl/bin/perl "-Ilib"
"-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')"
t/*.t
t/00compile.............ok
t/backwards.............ok
t/basic.................ok
t/build_man.............ok 3/9
t/build_man.............NOK 4#   Failed test in t/build_man.t at line 45.
t/build_man.............ok 9/9# Looks like you failed 1 test of 9.
t/build_man.............dubious
        Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 4
        Failed 1/9 tests, 88.89% okay
t/bytes.................ok
t/Command...............ok
t/config................ok
t/dir_target............ok
t/FIRST_MAKEFILE........ok
t/hints.................ok
t/INST..................ok
t/INST_PREFIX...........ok
        7/52 skipped: various reasons
t/Install...............ok
t/INSTALL_BASE..........ok
t/Installed.............ok
        10/46 skipped: various reasons
t/Liblist...............ok
t/make..................ok
t/Manifest..............ok
t/Mkbootstrap...........ok
t/MM_Any................ok
t/MM_BeOS...............skipped
        all skipped: This is not BeOS
t/MM_Cygwin.............skipped
        all skipped: This is not cygwin
t/MM_NW5................skipped
        all skipped: This is not NW5
t/MM_OS2................skipped
        all skipped: This is not OS/2
t/MM_Unix...............ok
t/MM_VMS................skipped
        all skipped: This is not VMS
t/MM_Win32..............skipped
        all skipped: This is not Win32
t/oneliner..............ok
t/Packlist..............ok
t/parse_version.........ok
t/PL_FILES..............ok
t/pm....................ok
t/postamble.............ok
t/prefixify.............ok
        1/3 skipped: Test for DOSish prefixification
t/prereq_print..........ok
t/problems..............ok
t/prompt................ok
t/recurs................ok
t/revision..............ok
t/split_command.........ok
t/testlib...............ok
t/VERSION_FROM..........ok
t/vmsish................ok
t/writemakefile_args....ok
t/xs....................skipped
        all skipped: ExtUtils::CBuilder not installed or couldn't find a
compiler
Failed Test   Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t/build_man.t    1   256     9    1  11.11%  4
7 tests and 18 subtests skipped.
Failed 1/45 test scripts, 97.78% okay. 1/735 subtests failed, 99.86% okay.
make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
=================================================
Writing Makefile for ExtUtils::MakeMaker
------------------------------------------------------
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_OS2.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_OS2.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_VOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_VOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Unix.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Unix.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Mksymlists.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Mksymlists.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win32.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win32.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_UWIN.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_UWIN.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/testlib.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/testlib.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MY.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MY.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/vmsish.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/vmsish.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_DOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_DOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Cygwin.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Cygwin.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_MacOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_MacOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_VMS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_VMS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win95.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Win95.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_BeOS.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_BeOS.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Liblist.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Liblist.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Tutorial.pod
blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Tutorial.pod
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_AIX.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_AIX.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Liblist/Kid.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Liblist/Kid.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/Mkbootstrap.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Mkbootstrap.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_QNX.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_QNX.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/FAQ.pod blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/FAQ.pod
cp lib/ExtUtils/Command/MM.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/Command/MM.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Config.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/Config.pm
cp inc/ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP blib/lib/ExtUtils/MANIFEST.SKIP
cp lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/bytes.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MakeMaker/bytes.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_NW5.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_NW5.pm
cp lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm blib/lib/ExtUtils/MM_Any.pm
cp bin/instmodsh blib/script/instmodsh
/opt/eHealth/web/aview/perl/bin/perl "-Ilib" "-MExtUtils::MY" -e
"MY->fixin(shift)" blib/script/instmodsh
------------------------------------------------------
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /opt/eHealth/web/aview/perl/bin/perl "-Ilib"
"-MExtUtils::Command::MM" "-e" "test_harness(0, 'blib/lib', 'blib/arch')"
t/*.t
t/00compile.............ok
t/backwards.............ok
t/basic.................ok 73/80
t/basic.................NOK 74#   Failed test 'distdir'
#   in t/basic.t at line 265.
#          got: '512'
#     expected: '0'
# make[1]: Entering directory
`/opt/ssapp0117/ehealth/product/5.7/custom/bin/perl-modules/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.31/t/Big-Dummy'
# rm -rf Big-Dummy-0.01
# /opt/eHealth/web/aview/perl/bin/perl
"-MExtUtils::Manifest=manicopy,maniread" \
#       -e "manicopy(maniread(),'Big-Dummy-0.01', 'best');"
# -e: META.yml not found at -e line 1
# Can't read META.yml: No such file or directory
# mkdir Big-Dummy-0.01
# mkdir Big-Dummy-0.01/bin
# make[1]: *** [create_distdir] Error 2
# make[1]: Leaving directory
`/opt/ssapp0117/ehealth/product/5.7/custom/bin/perl-modules/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-6.31/t/Big-Dummy'
t/basic.................ok 80/80# Looks like you failed 1 test of 80.
t/basic.................dubious
        Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 74
        Failed 1/80 tests, 98.75% okay
t/build_man.............ok 3/9
t/build_man.............NOK 4#   Failed test in t/build_man.t at line 45.
t/build_man.............ok 9/9# Looks like you failed 1 test of 9.
t/build_man.............dubious
        Test returned status 1 (wstat 256, 0x100)
DIED. FAILED test 4
        Failed 1/9 tests, 88.89% okay
t/bytes.................ok
t/Command...............ok 4/38
t/Command...............NOK 5#   Failed test 'test_f preserves @ARGV'
#   in t/Command.t at line 66.
#     Structures begin differing at:
#          $got->[0] = Does not exist
#     $expected->[0] = 'testfile.foo'
t/Command...............ok 13/38
t/Command...............NOK 14#   Failed test 'chmod preserves @ARGV'
#   in t/Command.t at line 137.
#     Structures begin differing at:
#          $got->[0] = 'testfile.foo'
#     $expected->[0] = '0600'
t/Command...............ok 22/38
#   Failed test 'cp preserves @ARGV'
t/Command...............NOK 23#   in t/Command.t at line 193.
#     Structures begin differing at:
#          $got->[1] = Does not exist
#     $expected->[1] = 'ecmddir/temp2'
t/Command...............ok 25/38
t/Command...............NOK 26#   Failed test in t/Command.t at line 206.

#   Failed test 'mv preserves @ARGV'
t/Command...............NOK 27#   in t/Command.t at line 207.
#     Structures begin differing at:
#          $got->[1] = Does not exist
#     $expected->[1] = 'ecmddir'
t/Command...............ok 35/38Undefined subroutine
&ExtUtils::Command::dos2unix called at t/Command.t line 269, <> line 572.
# Looks like you planned 38 tests but only ran 35.
# Looks like you failed 5 tests of 35 run.
# Looks like your test died just after 35.
t/Command...............dubious
        Test returned status 255 (wstat 65280, 0xff00)
DIED. FAILED tests 5, 14, 23, 26-27, 36-38
        Failed 8/38 tests, 78.95% okay
t/config................ok
t/dir_target............ok
t/FIRST_MAKEFILE........ok
t/hints.................ok
t/INST..................ok
t/INST_PREFIX...........ok
        7/52 skipped: various reasons
t/Install...............ok
t/INSTALL_BASE..........ok
t/Installed.............ok
        10/46 skipped: various reasons
t/Liblist...............ok
t/make..................ok
t/Manifest..............ok 24/49
#   Failed test '       writable if original was'
t/Manifest..............NOK 25#   in t/Manifest.t at line 153.
#          got: ''
#     expected: '1'
t/Manifest..............ok 27/49
#   Failed test '       writable if original was'
t/Manifest..............NOK 28#   in t/Manifest.t at line 153.
#          got: ''
#     expected: '1'
t/Manifest..............ok 49/49# Looks like you failed 2 tests of 49.
t/Manifest..............dubious
        Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200)
DIED. FAILED tests 25, 28
        Failed 2/49 tests, 95.92% okay
t/Mkbootstrap...........ok
t/MM_Any................ok
t/MM_BeOS...............skipped
        all skipped: This is not BeOS
t/MM_Cygwin.............skipped
        all skipped: This is not cygwin
t/MM_NW5................skipped
        all skipped: This is not NW5
t/MM_OS2................skipped
        all skipped: This is not OS/2
t/MM_Unix...............ok
t/MM_VMS................skipped
        all skipped: This is not VMS
t/MM_Win32..............skipped
        all skipped: This is not Win32
t/oneliner..............ok
t/Packlist..............ok
t/parse_version.........ok
t/PL_FILES..............ok
t/pm....................ok
t/postamble.............ok
t/prefixify.............ok
        1/3 skipped: Test for DOSish prefixification
t/prereq_print..........ok
t/problems..............ok
t/prompt................ok
t/recurs................ok
t/revision..............ok
t/split_command.........ok
t/testlib...............ok
t/VERSION_FROM..........ok
t/vmsish................ok
t/writemakefile_args....ok
t/xs....................skipped
        all skipped: ExtUtils::CBuilder not installed or couldn't find a
compiler
Failed Test   Stat Wstat Total Fail  Failed  List of Failed
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t/Command.t    255 65280    38   11  28.95%  5 14 23 26-27 36-38
t/Manifest.t     2   512    49    2   4.08%  25 28
t/basic.t        1   256    80    1   1.25%  74
t/build_man.t    1   256     9    1  11.11%  4
7 tests and 18 subtests skipped.
Failed 4/45 test scripts, 91.11% okay. 12/735 subtests failed, 98.37% okay.
make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255
=================================================
537 perl-modules> dos2unix
could not open /dev/kbd to get keyboard type US keyboard assumed
could not get keyboard type US keyboard assumed
^C
=================================================

(2)
When I install a module which depends on another module, and the latter
is already installed in my dir, my command
$PERL -I$INSTALL Makefile.PL PREFIX=$INSTALL LIB=$INSTALL
works in terms of finding the dependency, but does not work when running
the tests. It seems -I$INSTALL is not passed thru to the testing phase.
Is this correct? I read the docs for ExtUtils::MakeMaker and the FAQ
but could not see anything referring to this matter.
Is there something I can do to humour 'make test'?

(3)
The FAQ, under Module Installation, says:
perl Makefile.PL INSTALL_BASE=~
It'd help Windows users if this was added:
Under MS Windows, use instead:
perl Makefile.PL INSTALL_BASE=\perl-modules
Then a few lines down:
use lib "$ENV{HOME}/lib/perl5";
would become:
use lib "/perl-modules/lib/perl5";

(4)
The FAQ, under Philosophy and History, says:
pure perl. no make, no shell commands
This makes me uneasy, since I believe now that M::B depends on
a module which requires a compiler, so, although strictly true,
your can't install M::B without a compiler. Sigh.
Is that worth clarifying?

--
Ron Savage
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://savage.net.au/index.html

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