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Charles, I am unimpressed by your point re P Gubarev : "You did not deem it necessary [to check his past]... This is weak, really weak." I posted the informative and perceptive essay by Pavel Gubarev because... it was an informative and perceptive essay. Also because he is an important figure in the midst of important events. If we were to carefully check the pasts of the many and varied authors whose works are posted on New Cold War.org, we would get very little publishing work done. Pavel Gubarev's capacity to change past political views, and quite drastically at that, is impressive. Now I want to follow even more his writings. For those interested, here are two footnotes added to the two recent postings on New Cold War.org re the Ukrainian language: Note by New Cold War.org editors, March 4, 2015: The survey counts of 'Ukrainian speakers' are varied according to the shifting identifications of what constitutes the language. When Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, the standard of Ukrainian language was the 'Kyiv-Poltava dialect', what is identified today as surzhik (see map above). Many argue this is not 'pure Ukrainian'. Until the 1990's, the Ukrainian language of western Ukraine was identified as 'Polish-Ukrainian surzhik' and western Ukrainians were seen by many in central Ukraine as 'not pure Ukrainians'. Thus do the shifting winds of politics identify what, exactly, is the Ukrainian language. http://newcoldwar.org/from-russification-to-ukrainisation-a-survey-of-language-politics-in-ukraine/ Note by New Cold War.org editor: [1] The author Pavel Gubarev says the appellation ‘Ukrainian’ was not widely used or known before the 1920’s, but many historians would challenge this assertion and argue that the term dates back into the 19th century. They would also argue that the widely-used term ‘Malorussians’ in the 19th century is equivalent to recognizing a Ukrainian nationality in formation. For many people during the 19th and early 20th centuries, Russians, Belorussians, Malorussians (Ukrainians) and Rusins (in the Carpathia region) in that part of Europe were considered to be branches of a common nationality. The precise date at which these branches emerged as distinct nations and nationalities are not easily determined and are the subject of intense, ongoing, historical debate. The lines of division have always been blurred and they shift with time and new interpretations that arise. http://newcoldwar.org/genesis-of-ukraine-and-ukrainians-maidan-as-a-dividing-point-of-nation-building/ And here is the description of Pavel Gubarev provided at the end of his published article: Pavel Gubarev is a contributor to Novorossiya Today under the rubric 'Russian spring: the struggle for democratic rights and social justice'. His brief article analyzing the Minsk-2 ceasefire accord of Feb. 11/12, 2015 is here. He is a leader of a political movement in Donbas called 'Novorossiya'. Like the Donetsk Communist Party, it was denied the right to register and run in the legislative election in the Donetsk Peoples Republic on Nov. 2, 2014. RA Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2015 07:23:50 +0000 From: lacena...@comcast.net To: rogeran...@hotmail.com; marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Subject: Re: [Marxism] Tempest in a teapot re P Gubarev "you did not deem it necessary"? this is weak. really weak. and as if we didn't know we could double check ourselves? that's hardly an explanation for your failure to check and disclose. wow! things are becoming clearer. When I wrote an assessment of a very good recent essay on the Ukraine war by Pavel Gubarev, I did not deem it necessary to peer into his past. Those interested in that could have inquired, or simply loooked at his Wiki entry. _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/lacenaire%40comcast.net _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
