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"the tolerant atmosphere of the list"....lmao On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Andrew Pollack via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > When push comes to shove, it's always Louis's list. > Unsub me. > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Louis Proyect <l...@panix.com> wrote: > > > On 7/18/15 4:00 PM, Andrew Pollack wrote: > > > >> You're booting Jim for doing class analysis? > >> That's fucked up. > >> To be precise, that's Stalinism. > >> > >> > > No, it's not. This is not a party. I don't collect dues or ask people to > > sell a stupid newspaper at plant gates 6am in the morning. > > > > It is a mailing list that I have the right to edit, to create boundaries > > around just like any other publication, print or electronic. I don't tend > > to remove people from the list unless I decide that their purpose here is > > only to do "class analysis" as you put it. I had 11 years of this kind of > > "class analysis" in the Trotskyist movement and that was enough for me. > If > > anybody wants to set up a mailing list where you can blather on about the > > petty-bourgeoisie, contact me privately and I'll help you get started. > > > > This list has been around for 17 years and has over 1500 subscribers. If > > there's one thing I've learned over the years, it is that is not the > place > > to do Leon Trotsky imitations. Here's a reminder from the Marxmail > website > > subscription page for anybody tempted to repeat the Cannon-Shachtman > debate: > > > > MODERATION PRINCIPLES: The Marxism mailing list is extremely permissive. > > There are a couple of things that are frowned upon strongly. If you come > to > > the list with the attitude that you are a true Bolshevik, who needs to > > convert 'Mensheviks' to your beliefs, you will be unsubbed. Members of > > self-declared vanguard parties who can adjust to the tolerant atmosphere > of > > the list are more than welcome, since they usually bring with them years > of > > Marxist study and political experience. > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/amaral1871%40gmail.com > -- Seek for food and clothing first, then the Kingdom of God shall be added unto you. Hegel, 1807 The class struggle, which is always present to a historian influenced by Marx, is a fight for the crude and material things without which no refined and spiritual things could exist. Nevertheless, it is not in the form of the spoils which fall to the victor that the latter make their presence felt in the class struggle. They manifest themselves in this struggle as courage, humor, cunning, and fortitude. They have retroactive force and will constantly call in question every victory, past and present, of the rulers. As flowers turn toward the sun, by dint of a secret heliotropism the past strives to turn toward that sun which is rising in the sky of history. A historical materialist must be aware of this most inconspicuous of all transformations. -Walter Benjamin, Spring, 1940 NYCSOCIALIST.ORG _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
