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bravo Clay and Louis here's the link to the Times article which was so flagrantly misquoted: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/world/africa/20libya.html?_r=0 If that doesn't work I could post the text here. On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Clay Claiborne via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > Mummar Gaddafi use to have rallies in Green Square with well over a million > supporters until I made him stop. > > That may be a bit of hyperbole. These are the facts: Qaddafi claimed 3 > rallies in Green Sq. on June 17, July 1 & 8 2011 at which he claimed he had > 1.7 million supporters. After I published Tripoli Green Square Reality > Check > < > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/19/996082/-Tripoli-Green-Square-Reality-Check > > > on July 19th showing there was no way Green Sq could hold that many people, > and it was widely circulated by the Libyan Youth Movement among others, > Gaddafi never made that claim again. I consider it one of my most > significant contributions to their revolution. > > Naturally, all the "anti-imperialists" were promoting these rallies as > proof of Gaddafi's popular support. I write in that: > > Now others reporting > > <https://www.blogger.com/2011/07/qaddafi-million-man-march_843.html> on > > these pro-Qaddafi protests have estimated much lower numbers for these > > crowds, in the range of 10,000 to 30,000. It has also been said that the > > majority of those in attendance had some relation to Qaddafi security > > forces, approximately 10% of the Libya population has such an > association. > > It threatened > > < > https://www.blogger.com/2011/07/behind-green-curtain-libya-today_1981.html > > > > if they failed to show up. > > > > 2 selections from my > > http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/2011/07/behind-green-curtain-libya-today_1981.html > > posted to the Free Generation Movement facebook page > < > http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-free-generation-movement-%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%83%D8%A9-%D8%AC%D9%8A%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1/the-story-of-the-bread-queue/120242798070348 > > > this morning, July 18, 2011 at 6:17am > > Today, at a queue for bread in Janzour, I witnessed the following. > > Production was slow and the queue was getting longer. The owner of the > bread store came out, apologised and told those waiting that due to fuel > shortage his machines were working at 50%. He urged people to just buy > bread for ¼ dinar and then come back later for more. He said there was also > a flour shortage so urged, again, for people to be economical. > > One women shouted *“it’s not your flour, its Moamers flour, who are you to > ration it?”* > > The people in the queue were visibly angered by this comment and one man > shouted *“and do you think your moamer carry the flour here on his back?”* > > She fell silent but immediately made a phone call. > > Minutes later people whispered in the man’s ear to leave as she is a well > known revolutionary committee member and loud mouth. He disappeared into > the side streets moments before uncountable security trucks turned up with > armed men. > > The men demanded that the shop owner tell them who the *“traitor”* was. The > shop owner said that he was just a customer and can’t remember just a > single person from hundreds of daily customers. > > The security chief said to him *“Either tell us who he is, or we close this > place down”.* The man bravely stood tall and said > > > > *“Close it, but if you want me to give you details about a man I do not > know then you are delusional”. A symbol of defiance from a man standing in > a queue. A symbol of nepotism by one woman who thinks she can say and do as > she pleases because of who she knows. A symbol of intimidation by security > forces enforcing jungle law. You cant even speak your mind in a bread > queue, and then Saif AlGaddafi says “we will have elections”. On what > planet do these people live?* > > *1.7 million rally for Qaddafi? Not as it seems! * Now we have another > video > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnWpeQKDCgA> from Qaddafi's massive > support > rally in Tripoli on July 8th, 2011. I have already blogged about certain > questions surrounding this march in my dairy. Now this video from > libyaresistence <http://www.youtube.com/user/libyaresistance> purports to > show that many of those in attendance weren't from Tripoli. They write > <http://feb17.info/news/tripoli-update-july-8th/>: > > Attempts to call on Tripoli residents to abandon local mosques and pray at > green square back fired for the regime, as attempts were made to show the > people of Tripoli stood by the “leader”. Local mosques remained open > despite the call by authorities, and local residents turned out in full to > pray at their usual mosques in defiance of the regime. The atmosphere was > visibly positive as it was very apparent that everyone present was making > an open stand against the regime. The regime amassed another crowd at > “green square” to rally for their cause. The crowd was not as large as > previous Friday and FGMovement were in attendance to evaluate the > situation. See this video for our explanation of the size of the crowd and > the scenes at the square. Rest assured, people of Libya, the majority of > the people of Tripoli were nowhere near “Green Square” today. > > in > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/08/992296/-Qaddafi-s-Million-Man-March > I describe how Gaddafi got people to his rallies: > > Ahmed went missing in Tripoli near the very beginning of the uprising. His > > family now believes that he was arrested on February 22 and taken to the > > notorious Adu Salim prison with many others. At the time they assumed he > > had been shot dead and disappeared by soldiers, mercenaries or one of > > Qaddafi's security services, like so many others. > > > > So when a member of one Qaddafi's revolutionary committees told Ahmed's > > father, *"We have your son, he is being held at Abu Salim prison. If your > > family does not come out to demonstrate on Friday you will never see your > > son again."*, they paid him no never-mind and an extended clan of around > > 50 adult males and family refused to attend the rally. A few hours after > > the rally Ahmed's still warm body was dumped outside the family home with > > two bullets in his head. > > > > > Clay Claiborne, Director > Vietnam: American Holocaust <http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com> > Linux Beach Productions > Venice, CA 90291 > (310) 581-1536 > > Read my blogs at the Linux Beach <http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/> > <http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track> > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
