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Perhaps Trump is just not so canny in furthering his own personal financial interests as Obama (and HRC). But does that represent a crisis of the ruling class? The greatest threat to the international bourgeoisie (represented in the White House particularly by Gary Cohn) seems today to be populism/‘economic nationalism’ (represented in the White House by Steve Bannon). We certainly should be considering the implications of that. Regards, Carl > On May 10, 2017, at 10:15 PM, John Reimann <1999wild...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't know if Carl read the article I sent or is just responding in > general, but I most definitely did not mention that the Comey firing was an > assault on "democracy", nor did I mention anthing about Russian hacking the > election. I did mention Trump's financial ties to Russian > investors/oligarchs/mobsters, and this is simply a matter of record. It's > well established. And I did say that Trump is using the executive branch of > the US government to further his own personal financial interests at the > expense of the global interests of the mainstream of the US capitalist class. > > Why are we supposed to care? > > Try this: If the enemy is in crisis, shouldn't we be aware of it and consider > its implications? > > John Reimann > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galli...@illinois.edu > <mailto:galli...@illinois.edu>> wrote: > [John Steppling] I keep reading postings about how Trump firing the head of > the FBI is an assault on democracy, or the American way of life, or > something. The front page of the Huffington Post is hysterical with cries for > the need to investigate Russian hacking. I have had three friends (sic) > refuse to discuss this with me when I questioned their sanity in believing > the russian hacking narrative. Not argue it...but refuse to argue it. Not > one, but three. There is no evidence of anything out of the ordinary here. If > there were, trust me we would have heard about it by now. > > So what I take from this is that the white establishment....to which the > aforementioned friends belong, really, is in crises. If Obama had fired the > head of the FBI what would the reaction have been? (the answer is nothing.) > > But how is the US/Saudi assault on a defenceless Yemen not an assault on > Democracy? I mean congress didn't authorize it did they? Or how is the orgy > of state murder in Arkansas...including the suppression of new evidence that > might have exonerated one of the men executed.....how is that not an assault > on Democracy? How is the illegal assassination of Qadaffi not an assault on > Democracy or the coup orchestrated by Clinton as secretary of state in > Ukraine not an assault on Democracy? How is the coup in Honduras or the > current attacks on Venezuela not ....well...you get the idea. How is the war > on Syria.....and it is ON SYRIA.....how is that not cause for outrage? None > of these things matter to liberal America. Dead Arab > children....pshaw...can't be bothered. The execution of mentally impaired > men, from the underclass, denied adequate representation....meh, cant be > bothered. BUT....but when Trump fires the head of a notoriously corrupt organ > of surveillance and arrest and worse.....an organization founded to quell > dissent and rid the nation of commies and minority troublemakers......how am > I supposed to care exactly?… > > > > On May 10, 2017, at 3:37 PM, John Reimann via Marxism > > <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu <mailto:marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu>> wrote: > > > > Make no mistake, President Trump's firing of FBI director John Comey > > represents a crisis for the US capitalist class. It's one more indication > > that it cannot control the executive wing of its government. Trump claims > > that he fired Comey because of the latter's handling of the investigation > > of Hillary Clinton and his lack of repentence over this. However, just days > > before the firing it's reported that Comey had asked for additional funds > > to investigate alleged Russian meddling into the US elections. Such an > > election would inevitably have opened up the financial ties between Trump > > and Russian investors and outright mobsters. > > > > https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/ > > <https://oaklandsocialist.com/2017/05/10/comey-fired-us-a-failing-state/> > > > > John Reimann > > > > > > > -- > "No one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them." Asata > Shakur > Check out:https:http://oaklandsocialist.com <http://oaklandsocialist.com/> > and //www.facebook.com/WorkersIntlNetwork?ref=stream > <http://www.facebook.com/WorkersIntlNetwork?ref=stream> _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
