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"Jason writes, "my claim (of anti-Semitism on the left) needs to be backed
up and I'm not going to do it here and I'm not asking anyone to just take
my word for it." But that is exactly what he's doing. And I have to say,
Tim's notes more or less do the same."

I don't actually, there are plenty of examples which are a matter of public
record. Galloway's I've already cited. Jackie Walker's as well. There are
plenty of examples going through the Labour Party's disciplinary
procedures. Some of them are vexatious or spurious. Some of them are valid.

"The cries of anti-Semitism also help drown out any
legitimate criticism of the racist State of Israel. Let's not fall into
that trap."

My view is that we continuously fall into a trap every time we join the
supporters of the Israeli state by doing the same as them. They claim all
anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. People on the left see all accusations of
anti-Semitism as an attempt to discredit anti-Zionism. We should separate
the two, not help conflate them.

"It's support for Assad that is the real issue."

There's no one "real issue", there are several real issues, many of which
interconnect.




On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 3:01 PM John Reimann via Marxism <
marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote:

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> Jason writes, "my claim (of anti-Semitism on the left) needs to be backed
> up and I'm not going to do it here and I'm not asking anyone to just take
> my word for it." But that is exactly what he's doing. And I have to say,
> Tim's notes more or less do the same.
>
> As we all know, "anti-Semitism" is the first line of defense for the
> Zionists, and in fact  Jason's arguments indirectly bolster that. He points
> to the fact that so many of those active in the movement against the racist
> State of Israel ignore at best the war crimes of Assad if they don't
> outright support him. For Jason, this is evidence of anti-Semitism. It has
> nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism, and Jason's argument comes
> dangerously close to merging with the Zionists' claim that criticism of
> Zionism is automatically anti-Semitism. The hypocritical approach of the
> left Assadists is all about a shallow reading of "opposition" to US
> imperialism, a refusal to even half way seriously study the facts. It's
> related to their silliness regarding Trump, as I pointed out in my last
> note. It's related to their considering any criticism of the Trump-Putin
> links to being support for US imperialism and for war. Is the refusal of
> these lefts to look at what is happening to the Rohingya evidence of
> Islamophobia?
>
> Again: The real issue is defense of Assad. By falling into the campaign
> against Corbyn with the claims of anti-Semitism, they are actually
> detracting from that main issue. The Blairites and the Tories are happy to
> distract from that issue, because (I assume) British imperialism in fact
> also supports Assad. The cries of anti-Semitism also help drown out any
> legitimate criticism of the racist State of Israel. Let's not fall into
> that trap.
>
> It's support for Assad that is the real issue.
>
> John Reimann
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