So, since the "threat" of banning me from this list won't work - and the facts cannot be refuted - some folks resort to ridicule and/or really stupid childish arguments.
But the facts are quite clear here - about the NKVD's infiltration of the SWP, about the role of James Hansen and other SWP'ers in facilitating the NKVD's assassination of Leon Trotsky, about the FBI's role in the SWP leadership for many many years. Facts are facts - and it doesn't matter what the source is. And, considering we're talking about matters of espionage here, the files of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the statements of NKVD asset turned FBI informant Louis Budenz are quite relevant here - because, quite frankly, who would know better than them about who was spying for whom? Budenz in this case would be quite the authority on this matter - since he followed the same path that James Hansen did, from the NKVD to the FBI! As for the murder of Malcolm X - isn't anybody besides myself just a little bit curious as to WHY the SWPers on the security detail (and I know this for a fact from speaking with Roland Sheppard, who was one of those SWPers on security that fateful day) were ordered to report to the assignment unarmed - and that the Muslim Mosque Inc security people working the door did not search anybody for weapons? Yes, there have been claims that "Malcolm X wanted it that way" because he "didn't want to offend the middle class people" who were attending that day - but, since Minister Shabazz is dead, we really can't confirm that he gave those orders! And yes, our old buddy James Hansen was intimately involved in those security arraingements. Isn't it an odd coincidence that the same guy was on scene - and IN CHARGE OF SECURITY - when two of the greatest revolutionaries of the 20th century were murdered by two of the most vicious intelligence agencies of the 20th century? I for one don't believe in coincidences. And Louis, in answer to your silly claims, John Lennon was a minor late 20th century British musician killed by a psychologically disturbed security guard from Hawaii - his murder was about as "political" as the death of Sal Mineo or the Notorious B.I.G. As for everybody else - little children, when presented with an unpleasant fact, will sometimes put their fingers in their ears so they don't have to listen. Intelligent grown folks know how to listen to the truth - no matter how much you dislike the source. In other words - it's time to grow up and listen to the facts, my friends. The SWP was rotten to the core politically from the beginning - not to mention ridden with spies - and that explains volumes about the subsequent political decay of Trotskyism, since the SWP was the defective source code for much of modern post WW II Trotskyism. If you don't like that fact - fine (I don't like that fact either) but you need to face reality. And making fun of me - however much you enjoy it - does not negate those cold hard facts. Gregory A. Butler ________________________________________________ YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com