Klo and Alan,
My first thinking about was the same you and Alan wrote.
To debate Trotsky in this way, it looks like:
1. To put Stalin and Trotsky in the same level
2. To make the same contrapropaganda the
bourgeoisie makes
Fraternally,
Pedro.
At 10:21 18/08/2000 +0000, you wrote:
>Per Rasmussen wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends and Comrades!
>>
>> For a start below:
>>
>> Let us all have a great debate on this!
>>
>> Open and sharp.
>>
>> What is true and false?
>>
>> What is useful here?
>>
>> You know what I in General mean about Trotsky vs. Stalin!
>>
>> The subject is important.
>>
>> And we had different experience and goal when it comes to "the real world":
>> Solidarity and support on Korea in 1954 and VietNam in 1963 - and Cuba etc.
>> etc.
>>
>> I want to see you comment based on the main international struggle and on
>> diff. levels TODAY?
>> Why?
>> To see where we for a start can unite - and were we have to have more
>> knowledge and debates!!!!
>>
>> -----------------------
>> Yours in solidarity
>> Per Rasmussen
>>
>> Cuba SI!
>> http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/
>> Viden er Magt! - Magten til folket!
>> http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900373/
>>
>> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
>> Fra: Socialist Appeal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sendt: 17. august 2000 14:06
>> Emne: Trotsky year: on Stalinism
>>
>> What's new at In Defence of Marxism
>> http://www.marxist.com
>>
>> August 17, 2000
>>
>> Trotsky year: July/August: Trotsky on Stalinism
>> http://www.trotsky.net
>>
>> We are republishing Ted Grant's The Rise and Fall of the Third
>> International, written in 1943 after Stalin announced the dissolution of
>> the Communist International
>> (http://www.trotsky.net/trotsky_year/rise_and_fall_of_the_communist_i.html)
>> . The article explains how the mighty Communist International founded by
>> Lenin could end so ignominiously under Stalin. I topens with the
>> following statement: "To understand how it is that this organisation
>> which aroused the terror and hatred of the whole capitalist world has
>> come to such an inglorious end at the bidding of capitalism, it is
>> necessary to review briefly the stormy rise and even stormier decline of
>> the International. The decree for its dissolution was merely an
>> acknowledgement of what has long been known to all informed people; that
>> the Comintern as a factor making for world socialism was dead and had
>> departed forever from its original aims and purposes. Its demise was
>> predicted and foreseen long in advance." It goes on to develop a
>> Trotskyist analysis of the process.
>>
>> Together with this we are also publishing Part Two of Ted Grant's book
>> Russia: from Revolution to Counterrevolution, The Rise of Stalinism
>> (http://www.trotsky.net/trotsky_year/rise_of_stalinism.html). The whole
>> book is available on www.marxist.com. But for those who may not have the
>> time this chapter provides a good introduction.
>>
>> For those who want to study the development of Trotsky's analysis of the
>> phenomenon of the Stalinist degeneration of the Soviet Union we recommend
>> the following texts as a reading on the subject. In these you will find
>> how Trotsky traced the degeneration right from the early stages in the
>> mid 1920s. Of course the classical work of Trotsky on this subject is The
>> Revolution Betrayed.
>>
>> The New Course (1923)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1923-nc/default.htm
>>
>> On The Suppressed Testament of Lenin (1926)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1926-len.htm
>>
>> Platform of the Opposition (1927)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1927-plo/ch01.htm
>>
>> The class nature if the Soviet State (1933)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/sovstate.htm
>>
>> The workers' state, Thermidor and Bonapartism (1935)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1935-bon.htm
>>
>> The Revolution Betrayed (1936)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1936-rev/default.htm
>>
>> Stalinism and Bolshevism (1937)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1937-sta.htm
>>
>> The Stalin School of falsification (1937)
>> http://www.trotsky.net/works/1937-st2/default.htm
>>
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>
>Per
>
> What on earth are you doing? You posted just the kind of material I
>would expect from a Trot mouthpiece. Where are the writings by Stalin
>and his supporters exposing Trotskyism for the bourgeois agent that it
>is? Why didn't you post a synopsis of the Jan 1937 Pyatakov trial, for
>example, in which Trotsky himself is shown to be the prime agent of
>bourgeois intelligence services seeking to undermine the Soviet Union.
>Have you read the transcripts of the 1930's trials? I don't think so.
> Some of your titles are lies themselves. The so-called testament of
>Lenin was never suppressed by anyone. Even Trotsky originally admitted
>that. In fact, Stalin discussed it at a Central Committee meeting
>before everyone.
> I am surprised and quite disappointed in you. Should this occur again
>a reassessment will be in order.
>
>For the cause,
>
>Klo
>
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