I am sending this again as I realized I only replied to you and not the
list as well.  This turns out good for me because it offers a chance to
better compose my thoughts.  I was running errands when I sent the first
email.  To begin again:

Jason,
I see what you are saying, and it is a reasonable point but I disagree.
These are the reasons:

1. I can elaborate that "since you never contacted me" means I would have
been happy to provide assistance and the name if the vendor would have done
so with some images of supporting information such as sourcing from the
same finder.

2. There is a clear difference between multi ton finds that have ample
documentation and a kilo find that has had little publicity.  Even then I
agree that best practices are to communicate leading me to

3. Point out that you were part of one of my conversations about this in
regard to the likely Jikharra specimen you are referencing.  You stated
that "The Jikharra’s obviously that."  You are also well aware that I am
not selling any of the obviously Jikharra until my own classification is
approved because you were part of the discussion.

4. You don't actually know where I sourced my material because you did not
ask.  For example the metbul mentioned many kilograms traded as Ghadamis
that was not in Marcin's possession.  Since I bought and traded Ghadamis
before the name HaH 346 was approved, how do you think I should have
handled the situation differently?

5. In regards to nwa 869 the following quote is from the metbul "At least 2
metric tons of material comprising thousands of individuals has been sold
under the name NWA 869 in the market places of Morocco and around the
world." along with the appropriate caveats due to its abundance- "Scientists
are advised to confirm the classification of any specimens they obtain
before publishing results under this name."   So again I do not feel you
are making an apples to apples comparison with your critique of my logic.

We all obviously respect your encyclopedic understanding of meteorites so
perhaps you can share with us your framework for best practices in these
situations.

Best regards,
Jason

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:21 PM Jason Utas <meteorite...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Jason,
> To be consistent, you should remove the HaH 346 and NWA 869 specimens you
> have listed for sale on your website.  Those classifications were submitted
> by other dealers; your stones are unclassified individuals from DCAs with
> no evidence of their find locations, etc.
> On your "featured" page, you also have a specimen listed as a "likely
> Jakharra 001 Pairing."  Similar issues aside, relying on that standard, it
> should be okay for Benzaki Mohamed to call his specimens "likely NWA 15758
> pairings."
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:09 AM humboldt bay jay via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Benzaki Mohamed for swiftly reaching out to me.  I appreciate
>> your attention to this matter.  All is good.
>> Best regards to everyone,
>> Jason Whitcomb
>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 16:17:06 -0700
>>> From: Ruben Garcia <rrg85...@gmail.com>
>>> To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de
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>>> I've know John for a very long time. This is very sad indeed. Thank you
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>>> posting this.
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>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 4:03?PM bernd.pauli--- via Meteorite-list <
>>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
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>>> > Dear List,
>>> >
>>> > It is my sad duty to inform you that John Blennert has passed away :-(
>>> >
>>> > John, rest in peace!
>>> >
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>>> Benzaki Mohamed,
>>> Since you have never reached out to me about my classification, Nwa 15758
>>> CK6, I politely request that you do not use this name. I invested time
>>> and
>>> resources into having it analyzed and if you wish to sell your material
>>> as
>>> a named meteorite I suggest you do the same. Thank you in advance.
>>> Jason
>>>
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>>> >       2014-01-08 Disputed (Paul)
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>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 00:35:54 -0700
>>> > From: <p...@tucsonmeteorites.com>
>>> > To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 22:16:15 +0000
>>> > From: Benzaki Mohamed <kemkemexpedit...@gmail.com>
>>> > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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>>> paired ,if
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>>> > Dear List,
>>> >
>>> > It is my sad duty to inform you that John Blennert has passed away :-(
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>>> > John, rest in peace!
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>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:16:00 -0500
>>> > From: Paul <etchpl...@att.net>
>>> > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Claims of Extrasolar Spherules from Pacific
>>> >         Ocean Site CNEOS 2014-01-08 Disputed
>>> > Message-ID: <088038b3-ec22-4815-b8fc-d187f665a...@att.net>
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>>> >
>>> > Recently, a preprint has been posted to the arXiv site that
>>> >
>>> > disputes proposal that Be,La,U-rich spherules recovered form
>>> >
>>> > Pacific Ocean Site CNEOS 2014-01-0 are from an extrasolar
>>> >
>>> > origin. Instead, they argued to be microtektites of terrestrial
>>> >
>>> > lateritic sandstone.
>>> >
>>> > The preprint is:
>>> >
>>> > Desch, S., 2024. Be, La, U-rich spherules as
>>> >
>>> > microtektites of terrestrial laterites: What goes \\
>>> >
>>> > up must come down. arXiv preprint arXiv:2403.05161.
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.05161
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2403/2403.05161.pdf
>>> >
>>> > The proposed extrasolar spherules are discussed in:
>>> >
>>> > Loeb, A., Adamson, T., Bergstrom, S., Cloete, R.,
>>> >
>>> > Cohen, S., Conrad, K., Domine, L., Fu, H., Hoskinson,
>>> >
>>> > C., Hyung, E., Jacobsen, S., Kelly, M., Kohn, J., Lard,
>>> >
>>> > E., Lam, S., Laukien, F., Lem, J., McCallum, R.,
>>> >
>>> > Millsap, R., Parendo, C., Petaev, M., Peddeti, C.,
>>> >
>>> > Pugh, K., Samuha, S., Sasselov, D., Schlereth, M.,
>>> >
>>> > Siler, J.J., Siraj, A., Smith, P.M., Tagle, R., Taylor,
>>> >
>>> > J., Weed, R., Wright, A., and Wynn, J. 2023.,
>>> >
>>> > Discovery of Spherules of likely extrasolar composition
>>> >
>>> > in the Pacific Ocean site of the CNEOS 2014-01-08
>>> >
>>> > (IM1) bolide. arXiv preprint 2308.15623
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/abs/2308.15623
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2308.15623.pdf
>>> >
>>> > Loeb, A., Adamson, T., Bergstrom, S., Cloete, R.,
>>> >
>>> > Cohen, S., Conrad, K., Domine, L., Fu, H.,
>>> >
>>> > Hoskinson, C., Hyung, E., Jacobsen, S., Kelly, M.,
>>> >
>>> > Kohn, J., Lard, E., Laukien, F., Lem, J., McCallum, R.,
>>> >
>>> > Millsap, R., Parendo, C., Petaev, M., Peddeti, C.,
>>> >
>>> > Pugh, K., Samuha, S., Sasselov, D., Schlereth, M.,
>>> >
>>> > Siler, J.J., Siraj, A., Smith, P.M., Tagle, R., Taylor, J.,
>>> >
>>> > Weed, R., Wright, A., and Wynn, J. 2024. Recovery
>>> >
>>> > and classification of spherules from the Pacific Ocean
>>> >
>>> > site of the CNEOS 2014 January 8 (IM1) bolide.
>>> >
>>> > Research Notes of the American Astronomical Society 8: 39.
>>> >
>>> > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2515-5172/ad2370/meta
>>> >
>>> > Related paper, reprint and press release:
>>> >
>>> > Desch, S., and Jackson, A., 2023. Critique of arXiv
>>> >
>>> > submission 2308.15623, "Discovery of Spherules of
>>> >
>>> > Likely Extrasolar Composition in the Pacific Ocean
>>> >
>>> > Site of the CNEOS 2014-01-08 (IM1) Bolide", by A.
>>> >
>>> > Loeb et al arXiv:2311.07699
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.07699
>>> >
>>> > https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.07699.pdf
>>> >
>>> > 'Alien' spherules dredged from the Pacific are probably just
>>> >
>>> > industrial pollution, new studies suggest. LiveScience, Nov. 16, 2023
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.livescience.com/space/extraterrestrial-life/alien-spherules-dredged-from-the-pacific-are-probably-just-industrial-pollution-new-studies-suggest
>>> >
>>> > Gallardo, P.A., 2023. Anthropogenic Coal Ash as a Contaminant
>>> >
>>> > in a Micro-meteoritic Underwater Search. Research Notes of the
>>> >
>>> > AAS, 7(10), p.220.
>>> >
>>> > http://ispcjournal.org/journals/2024/32/PhC_vol_32_Lomas.pdf
>>> >
>>> > Yours,
>>> >
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