----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----- Von: Peter Bigot Gesendet am: 16 Nov 2010 18:35:28
> 1) I propose to change the list management so that email to it from people > who are not subscribed is immediately bounced (saying that the list requires > subscription for posting), rather than put into a pending bucket where Chris > or I have to look at it. If it's worth our time to read, it's worth the > sender's time to subscribe so they can see responses. > 2) Anybody who subscribes from an address that implements a screening filter > like Boxbe so that mail to the list results in a request to add yourself to > the recipient's "Guest List" will be summarily unsubscribed. Maybe I'll > send an email saying why. I won't bother to add myself to your guest list > to tell you that it's happened. Manage your spam without inconveniencing > me, thank you very much. > Comments on either of these? Some. While most in the list agreed to these proposals (and I can see the benefits), it has some drawbacks too: 1) Personally, I us a different mail account for this list than for normal mail. it keeps the list mail in its own channel. Since the mail is supposed to appear in the list and therefor is received again, I usually don't save a local copy. Using a webmailer or accessing the account from an internet cafe forbids storage of sent mails too. But sometiem sit happens that I accidentally send the mail from the wrong account. If it gets bounced in the (nowadays) usual way, that means without an unquoted copy of the original mail text, the mail is lost. So if it is bounced, please bounce it with the original, unaltered and not packaged (as attachment or whatever) content, so one can re-send it from the right account without too much hassle. Also, one thing I rellay dislike these days is the neccessity to register ones mail address everywhere. Here, I'm registered user, but on my journey through the net I often find questions about this and that (including MSP) and I'd really like to answer, but then I had to register to this forum, so I just wander away. Forcing people to register to the mailing list will repel all people who want to use mspgcc and have a question, but don't want to marry the list. 2) While I completely undestand why you want this, it also exposes a problem. Those systems are there not for fun or to make your life more difficult, but (usually) in a deliberate attempt to fight spam. (even if some abuse the mechanism for their own marketing). Their number is increasing. Generally forbidding those behind such a system access to the mailing list is like asking people to turn off their virus scanner before accessing your web site or something similar. Also, what about people who have a mail responder (because of temporary absence) on their mail address? It will spam the list (already happened several time). Will you also automatically unsubscribe them? Isn't a filter on the mailing list side the better solution? Yes, things are getting more and more complicated, and maintaining a list sometimes is hard work. A work I really appreciate. But a list that forbids almost everything is pretty much useless. ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht ----- Von: M.Andree Gesendet am: 17 Nov 2010 13:53:58 > possibly the list can be set to just have application/octet-stream and > text/html, text/enriched, v-cards, image/*, audio/* ... and thereabouts > stripped, so that text/plain in multiparts makes it to the list, and if a > message is pure text/html it gets bounced. It is run on mailman, so it's > technically possible and more a discussion about policy than anything else. > The application/octet-stream rule is a bit nasty since some mailers only ever > declare application/octet-stream for their attachments, so sending patches > remains a hassle for some people -- but it avoids a lot of junk too. Why not restricting the list to plain text? Some people are sending plain text (like I do), others send their mails as multipart mime (with v-card or whatever attached), the mailing list itself adds a footer as separate mime part. Peter Bigots mails arrive with the text as double-coated Content-Type: multipart/alternative; (which is very nasty as my slim no-install mailing program doesn't show this type at all and I always have to look at the mail source) and others send it as encoded data or as text+HTML double or plain html. And it's easy but stupid to say 'it must be your mailer that's broken, I can see my own mail in my own without problems' :) It should be easy to extract the plain text part from the mail by the mailer and discard all the rest. You cannot demand that people configure their mailing program to fit strict rules, as other lists may do so with other (and conflicting) rules, so people are repelled from using the list. For techies like you and me, it might be easy to setup a separate account and configure it appropriately, but not everyone dealing with an MSP is also a mail expert or computer geek. Many don't even know how to switch off the text/HTML sending in outlook. JMGross ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App & Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base & get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev _______________________________________________ Mspgcc-users mailing list Mspgcc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mspgcc-users
