Dear Gustaf

thanks for this good work. Github does appear to be superior to Bitbucket on 
many fronts.

Will the tar.gz files for each release continue to be published to 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/naviserver/files/naviserver/ ?

best wishes
Brian

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From: Gustaf Neumann <neum...@wu.ac.at>
Sent: Sunday 19 November 2023 5:17 pm
To: naviserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
<naviserver-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [naviserver-devel] NaviServer 4.99.29 available


Dear all,

This is a follow-up to my own mail. The problem due to the changes of the 
billing rules on Bitbucket (see below) are somewhat sorted out, I have again 
access to the repository, but many of the former contributors are deleted from 
the "naviserver" group to get it functioning. There was also a change with 
"managed accounts", which made the problem for me even more complicated. In 
total, I count 31 emails with Atlassian support to sort these things out. 
Anyhow, these changes are signs that Atlassian does not have a high priority on 
open source projects with free accounts.

We have discussed this with Zoran, and we came to the conclusion that it is the 
best to move the NaviServer repositories to GitHub

   https://github.com/orgs/naviserver-project/repositories

We have now on GitHub an organization "naviserver-project" which contains now 
the 54 sub-repositories. This is essentially the same structure we had before. 
We also have a certain hope, that the move to GitHub will rather improve the 
visibility of NaviServer. All the newest commits were done on these new 
repositories. The plan is to move completely to GitHub and to delete the 
repositories on Bitbucket to avoid confusion.

Please adjust your install/update scripts to point to the new link.

All the best

-g

On 02.11.23 15:30, I wrote:
So far, these changes are only available on sourceforge, since i have lost 
write access to the repository at bitbucket. The people on Atlassian seem to 
have changed some account types, and - on to of this - they annouced via the 
Blog post on September 27, 2023, that the billing model changed (where they 
also refer to the "unified-user-management"). It took me a while to figure out, 
what happened. The blog post states:
>From October 31st, 2023, Bitbucket Cloud will begin counting all workspace 
>members as a billable user. ....

Free plans: If you're on a free plan and your billable user count is higher 
than 5 as per the new definition of billable user, all repositories in your 
workspace will become read-only until you remove some users or upgrade your 
workspace to a paid plan.

It seems that the users of the "naviserver" group are now counted as "billable 
users", and it contains 19 users. According to support, we have to reduce this 
number to 5, otherwise nobody will be able to commit anything.

Due to the ability with PRs, i think the reduction will be possible without too 
much loss in functionality. If nobody objects, i will go back in history and 
reduce the number of commit-member based on the most recent direct commits. I 
hope, that non of the "old members" will be offended by this. One other option 
would be to upgrade to a paid plain - but i am not sure, who is gonna pay for 
this.

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